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Way to go Mr. Monkey. I hope you have found your venue, TV. Remember, keep with it, and Sc_ew those who will cast negative comments your way. Keep magic alive.
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Dr_Zodiac, I have my venue already the clubs and parties of L ondon . I make good money at what I do but when Blaine told me how much he has made, I thought why not me and my team. It's all about the bill's baby, also I think I could make a great special that would show people magic they have never seen before.
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On 2002-12-01 22:40, Greg Arce wrote:
Actually, Ice Raven, there is a way of being original. Before Blaine's shows why hadn't others done that? Be original. Before Copperfield came into view there was Henning. He was an original. Who would have thought looking like a hippie and not wearing the traditional tuxedo would work? Suddenly there is an outpouring of magicians trying to look that way and doing every single trick that appears on the specials... I think the rain forest was put through major devastation with every magician doing the Anderson Paper Tear and with the exact patter.Then David Copperfield comes in and decides that he wants to mix movie themes and dramatic song pieces. Well, wouldn't you know, all of sudden every illusionist wants to feature a dancer and a Phil Collins song and do a one minute illusion in a ten minute number. Of course, every special had the magi heading for the stores to buy MisLead or whatever was featured on the special.

Then comes the other David. Shouts of "what is that? That's not magic! He's using stooges! Creative editing!!" But the shows worked and suddenly everyone is buying Healed & Sealed, etc.

Be original. That was my only complaint about the Criss Angel special. I felt his stage magic was original by mixing goth with sci-fi, but why then go into the streets and use the same effects and shots? Be original. It worked for Henning, Copperfield and Blaine. Sit down and decide what makes you unique and not how you can dress down, mumble, stop shaving and then hit the streets with a mystic quality. Be original. Be you.
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I disagree, Greg. Angel's magic is new. TO THE LAYPEOPLE. His street magic comes as a surprise to most of them. When you take that into account, Angel's presentation, dress style, and patter don't mean a thing- at least, not to laypeople. They don't care about difficulty of the methods he used to achieve his effects. Or the effects, so long as they were amazed. That's why I encourage hackmonkey to use whatever effects that will amaze the laypeople in the special-old, new, or like CA's if it works for him.
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I disagree, Greg. Angel's magic is new. TO THE LAYPEOPLE. His street magic comes as a surprise to most of them. When you take that into account, Angel's presentation, dress style, and patter don't mean a thing- at least, not to laypeople. They don't care about difficulty of the methods he used to achieve his effects. Or the effects, so long as they were amazed. That's why I encourage hackmonkey to use whatever effects that will amaze the laypeople in the special-old, new, or like CA's if it works for him.

I agree on one note... every time you run into somebody you have the ability to be the best magician they have ever seen. I said that way back when the first Blaine special came out. The only thing I was saying about the Angel special was the use of editing and selected effects that somewhat copied the Blaine look. Once again, think back to the day before the first Blaine special came out... no one had been saying, "Hey, you know what would make a good special... going around in the streets and doing basic magic to people and getting their reactions." Now it's the thing to do. I do mentalism so let make make a prediction: In about three to four years there will be another break out magician, who has his own style, and his show is totally innovative. And then, soon after, everyone else will jump on that new trend.

My only point with Angel, once again, is that his stage magic has a fresh new style. I saw some of the early workings of it while I lived in New York. I think that if he stuck to his guns he could be that magician I predicted above. And soon everyone would be using robot assistants and getting the Goth look. But, and it's only my opinion, as long as he uses any effects that millions of people saw on previous Blaine specials, or allows the style of the show to look like Blaine, then he will always be looked upon as a Blaine copy. Is this a bad thing? I'm not sure. Could he possibly make tons of money? Possibly. But I still say the next mark will be made by someone who puts down the VCR and goes out to create his own persona and style that once again rocks the magic community and regular community at large. I'm sure we'll have to agree to disagree, but I'll wait patiently for the next few years to pass until the next new guy comes into play.

Love bantering with you, though... so keep up the good fight, Ice Raven.
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Greg,that's what I am trying to do, something fresh. In fact, it may take three years to get this special made ha ha. Like I said, the fact that there are three of us, I think is different. Any ideas welcome.
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True, it does seem that every new magician is leaning towards current trends & styles in the art. However, magic is constantly evolving with new effects and ideas. It wouldn't even take a special full of new effects or a magician who invented those same effects to change magic for the better AND start a new trend. It may take years before these new routines get marketed to the magic world, but even as I type new stuff is being invented. Hackmonkey's special will probably have effects that will make the magic world (at least some of it) turn it's head and go "hey, look at that!" Criss Angel may not have performed any new street effects on his special, or really anything innovative at all. But Criss is a pro, and the goal of the pro is to use the art to pay bills and put food on the table. He was simply using what he knew already worked to help do that. Pro magicians tend to lean toward using what they know works instead of experimenting with new effects and methods, which could possibly diminish their routine and their reputation if not performed correctly or if they didn't fit in with the routine currently in place. They use what they know works to pay the bills. Most of the experimenting and inventing is left to those among us who are not professionals, like amateurs and hobbyists.
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Greg,that's what I am trying to do, something fresh. In fact it make take three years to get this special made ha ha. Like I said the fact that there is a three of us, I think is different. Any ideas welcome................


Go for it. And I wasn't kidding about the Charlie's Angels reference... maybe you can shoot it in a spoof style of that show... a mysterious voice comes over the phone and tells your team that a local town needs to be fooled... maybe it even hints at the type of effects you will do and then we see you doing them... how about 'tricking' up the van itself so it becomes an ongoing gimmick like you always vanish something large in the town you visit and it appears magically in the van or no one ever sees the van it just appears... how about getting general information about the town you're in and using it within the show... let's say, you find the town has some historical fact connected with a ghost and you do a seance in the particular place and drum up the historical ghost... or there's a famous statue in the town that is known for having some sort of carving error and you wave your hands and the statue is fixed... do what mentalists of the past would do -- go early into town and look up town files and go to the local cementary and then spook everyone with inside information... maybe you can have an ongoing gimmick where you produce something that is permanently attached to some town site and this object cannot be removed and each town you leave ends up having one of those objects left behind -- could be a weird looking crystal ball with some message visible inside...how about doing some remote reading in each town, where each teammate is taken to points within the town and you are able to send thoughts and pictures of where you are taken -- this could be newsworthy in each town... here's a weird one, and I have no idea how it would work: you do kind of a Geller effect by always going to the town salvage yard and starting up a completely dead car and driving it away.... have weird things happen to the electricity, radio, and TV frequencies as you come into town...if there is a town legend about a ghost,or ghoul, or monster, well, capture it... maybe UFOs are always spotted at the towns you hit...how about if each of your teammates possess a specific power -- kind of like superheroes.
That's my two cents for now. Go for it , Hack Monkey and keep us posted on your travels.
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To all of you who belive that Chriss Angel's magic is special to the spectators: Remember how many of those "spectators" were paid actors!

Along the same line, I appreciate what Chriss and David B. and others do for my art...but let's call a spade a spade. I too can create a sense of wonder if I'm allowed to film my paid employees ooohhhhhhingggg and awwwwwwiiiiinnnnnggg over my staged levitation...just a thought...
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I am not adverse to using stooges as long as they are not the main spectator. Greg I like a few of your idea's. Each of us having different powers that could work, and the starting up a dead car. Leaving a mark in each town, kinda like I do in each place I do gig with card on ceiling. Thanks
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I have no problems with stooges, or creative editing either... just as long as it is not the only thing you can do.

Just got another idea for you, HM... what if you use the really jumbo cards -- not the standard ones, but those stage size whoppers -- have a town meeting at the end of every show and have the town pick one card and they all sign it then you guys from some sort of hammock and fling the giant deck to the ceiling and stick the signed card up there... forever to be talked about at every town meeting.
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Sorry, but you got me going, HM. What if you always treated the entire town as one spectator? Meaning they all have to decide on the same thing for every trick or all of them have to sign the same card or they all have to give you a buck to float. I know one thing you should spend on: buy Yaniv's bending fork. You can easily load it into one of the restaurants and do it as you get a meal. Also buy The Intercessor. There's a great idea in the actual instructions that comes with it that everyone has passed by... each gimmick makes the same exact tear. So have a card selected in one town where they keep the corner and the rest of the card is destroyed visibly... then you go to the next town and find the restored card in an impossible place.
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Hackmonkey--

Good Luck with the special if you do one. Making movies is fun! Check the Gate!

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Wait a minute, let me get this straight. You are putting together a TV show where you abuse our art to humiliate celebrities just so someone will give you a TV show? Please tell me I misunderstood this.
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Spot on Hive mind!

Hive mind maybe you should read the posts more carefully. There will be many great tricks. Anyway the show has evolved much more since I posted this. I met with Carlton T.V on Monday and meeting BBC on Thursday, Carlton love our Synopsis and want to take it to Channel 4. Carlton is a very big production company in the U.K, they said even if Channel 4 don't bite they will make the pilot themselves. I can't give too much away anymore but the basic idea about suprising celebrities is in there. But imagine a 'Mission Impossible' style magic show where we get set a mission by a hooded figure. For example we have to blag our way into a film premiere using magic, and then traget celebrity. I'll keep you posted.


Just un update. I have been in talks with Carlron and Channel 4, and everything is nearing the final stages. Channel 4 want to make the show we have a director and they have given us £5,000 ($10,000) to make a 10 minute pilot. Depending on how good the pilot is they will decided to make the series or not. They have chosen a slot already, it's right after a very popular show. Wish me luck and thanks to all those who replied on this post and gave ideas especially Greg.
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Greg,
The self bending fork has nothing to do with me...
Just wanted to make that clear.

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How's the special coming, hackmonkey? It's been a while since your last update.
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Hey kathryn, I have been really busy just got back from South America. At the moment I am not sure. They wanted to start filming for the pilot episode, a ten minute episode, if that turned out good they wanted a series. But I had a holiday booked for South America and I had to go the same week they wanted to film, thay asked me to cancel it but I have had this booked for year and it was expensive. I went off for nearly a month as did my friend Max the other part of the show. When we came back they said they still want to make it but they are filming something else because they couldn't wait for us, so it has been put on hold for now.
But while my friend Max was on Holiday in America he did some filming for some American channel, they want to make a show called...I cant say some contracts have been signed. But it is all mentalism and stuff, me and him may go back to L.A and pursue that instead.

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Check out the new ITV series 'Astounding Celebrities' which will air on ITV 1 April 21st. It involves a number of magicians performing solely for celebrities on location.
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David Acer, Richard Sanders and Patrick Kuffs did something like this and it aired on Canadian TV. I'm not sure if they showed it in other countries. All the tricks they did could be done in the real world.
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magic bouy thanks for that tip. We talked to ITV as well. If this is too close to what we talked with them about then....well, lucky we copyrighted the idea.
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why not dress up as an old farmer in dirty clothes and perform magic in the fields or an open air enviornment instead of the usual crowded streets with people?
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