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Jordini
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The inspiration for this thread came from two sources: One is a coins across with four coins where the last one doesn't ever go, but you hear it go and assume it went (since the first three actually did).

The other is a trick that I accidentally discovered in a restaurant. I'm sure we all know the coin vanish where you pick the coin off the table and put it in your hand, then make it vanish, (uses lapping). Anyway, I did this with four coins. As I lapped the second one, I timed it so the second coin hit the first at the same time my picking up hand went to my recieving coin. I did this with all four coins, giving the illusion that I picked up 4 coins one by one and you could hear each coin as I put it in my other hand. Then, they all vanish, very very startling.

I know there are Coin Rattles, and of course Misers Dream, and also Downs had some sort of move from the Coin Star that I saw someone perform once. It was a thing of beauty.

I was curious what other effects are out there that use sound as a way of convincing everybody that what your doing is genuine...even though it's not really.
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Roth's "Tuning Fork" is a great routine that fits into what your looking for.

I have a routine "Invis-A-Coins" that makes use of sound to show that the invisible coin is there even though you can't see it.

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Okami
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David Williamson´s Talking Coins is a nice routine which is using the clicking sound of the coins and the wand.
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Williamson's routine rocks!!! Curtis Kam has one on "Palms of Steel 1" also in Michael Kaminskas book "Next Victim Please there's a routine alone these lines "Invisible Trio".

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I have played with using my wedding band to simulate the sound of 2 coins while only one was in my left. Haven't heard of any routines that use this as a move though. I'm sure someone out there has...
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Jordini,

This type of thing has been explored quite a bit in the past. Ron Slanina and Paul Gertner have some exquisite work on this. Check out "The M.C.A. Vanish and Change" on pg. 69 in Paul Gertner's "Steel and Silver". That is an idea that Paul and Ron worked on together. As far as I know, more of Ron's work has yet to hit print.

-Karl
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Kihei
You may want to get in touch with Eric Jones here on the Café I know he has/is working on something like what you're doing.
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On 2005-10-23 10:55, Kihei wrote:
I have played with using my wedding band to simulate the sound of 2 coins while only one was in my left. Haven't heard of any routines that use this as a move though. I'm sure someone out there has...

Mark Jenst uses his wedding band to exploit sound in his routine Short Hop. His usage, however, is to simulate one coin where there is none.
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As I lapped the second one, I timed it so the second coin hit the first at the same time my picking up hand went to my recieving coin.

Jordini...great minds think alike...I published a lap click-pass 25 years ago. Dingle and Jennings both published routines where the heard a coin go across...but it really didn't. This moment didn't come at the end of the effect...it came during the middle...it was used to delay a move so it was done on the off beat.

Mike
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"I have played with using my wedding band to simulate the sound of 2 coins while only one was in my left. Haven't heard of any routines that use this as a move though. I'm sure someone out there has..."

Hey great minds think alike. Smile
I have used my wedding ring to create the sound of a coin. It's called "Ring Tap Convincer" and is described in my new book. Those who have the book and ordered the Companion Video CD will see it and hear it being used in the first MPEG clip.
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Let's also remember the Tap Subtlety created by Richard Sanders and used by Jay Sankey in his Mexican Jumping Coins routine. A very clever bit of business.
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Michael Rubinstein has an okito box routine and gimmick that utilises sound to demonstrate coins appearing inside the box. It's on his "Knock Out Coin Magic" DVDs, I think.

Also, there are a number of commercial gimmicks that make use of sound - for example John Kennedy's "Sonic Silver".

Personally, I love the idea but in certain arenas it's not too useful (for example, walkaround during a disco). But for more formal settings, these things are great.

Ian
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Kihei,

I have a really cool click pass style move that was inspired by watching Francis Menotti perform his utilizing a finger ring. I also was fooled by a technique used by Chris Korn using his metal watch band to create a click pass of two coins when only one is actually in play....

Another excellent idea is an Audible Coins to Pocket routine that I came up with. The idea being instead of coins traveling audibly from hand to hand, they land one at a time to the pocket I have been told that both Jim Pace and Corey Burke have also explored this idea....

Oh.....and on his Gags 2 video, Jim Pace has a misers dream where it apparently places a bunch of coins in his pocket, you hear them go in, he shows the hand empty and produces more......excellent subtlety.
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Bill Duncan uses the reverse in his psychological coins accross, if I'm not mistaken.
He uses the "lack" of noise to advantage.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm too lazy to fetch the book.
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Frank, this is the way Bill's mind works: You've just shown two coins in your left hand. You claim one has travelled to the right hand. You want them to be suspicious of this, so you tighty clench your fist, and shake it. When you do this,

1. You try to convince the audience that you are trying to convince them that you've only got one left.

2. They will see you trying to convice them of this, and conclude that you're merely holding the coins so they can't rattle.

3. This, of course, also convinces tham that there are two coins in your left hand, which in truth, there are not.

4. So, the LACK of noise convinces the audience that there is more than one coin in your hand, which there isn't.

I assume this is clear enough to everybody? I call this Bill's "Psychological Rattle Gimmick".

For those of you who like things simpler, I use sound to differentiate between the lone silver and the two copper/brass coins in my C/S/B. On the first transposition, the audience hears the sound of the coins go from one hand to the other. A transposition for the ears. This is not on video. It's my "Triple Alliance 2.0" from my lecture notes "Dangerous Notions". Students will note that this is exactly the opposite of the Duncan conceit. And substantially more honest.

Just a note: You can't do my routine with the standard c/s/b gaff. The sound isn't right. You need a much less expensive, far less exclusive gaff that's easily obtainable. How's that for a change?
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