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The young girl stole the show I was happy with her and chriss capeharts performances the rest of the acts were so so
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Just got home. 5 hour drive, but it was all worth it. I had a blast. Hope everyone like the shows.
I am 27 years old and have been performing magic for 12 years. My main interest is in card magic, but I love all aspects of it. I love to discuss magic with anyone. Feel free to email me anytime.
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The Young Nelson girl was really good and showing a lot of promise for the future. If she got just a little professional training from a guy like Jeff McBride, she would top the charts for "Young Entertainer of the Year." She had form, looks, personality, skill and the audience loved her.

Yes, bob did have a drawing just befor the Auction, and I didn't win!

The auction did not have a lot of big stuff, but it did have a lot of videos for sales and grab bags (Boxes of mixed items). There was a couple of new entertainers who were buying up a lot of stuff. I wish them the best. They got some really great props for at least half of the original value.

During the lecture, there was a bit of talking in the back that made it difficult for some to hear the lecture. It was difficult to kept it down because so many were having a great time. It is such a nice social of magicians.

The best thing was meeting so many magicians from around the area, meeting Denny Haney, and Marty Martini because I don't get to see them that often anymore.

One of the great conversations was with John Bundy and Morgan on their Halloween Show in Missori. Morgan was telling me that their sponsor let them have free-rein and focus on an adult Halloween Show and not be constricted in what they did so they let all the good gory stuff loose. The buzz saw with spray jets of blood, and spray water toward the audience getting them to think they were getting bombarded with blood. That must of been really cool to see that audience reactions.

It was great seeing Kyle there and wer had some great conversations regarding Kids magic. (We do think alike here.) Some were excited aout this month's local KIDabra meeting related to developing school shows.

It just was a great time. I had a blast. Bought some new stuff mostly books. (Marty Martini card rising was just great so I got that too!)

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Greetings...

I was there and was looking to meet Dennis and Kyle but I never spotted you! Too bad we didn't have name tags at least... Kyle, was that your flier for an illusion show with another gent? I grabbed one of them... and I grabbed the Kidabra flier, although since it's on a Monday night I don't think I'll make it either...

And hey, Kris-- you were awesome with the cards (I was the guy wearing the black Starscapes hat). I would've like to see you give a lecture!

Unfortunately I didn't make the shows (I had to get up at 4:35 AM Monday)...

My auction stuff was the very last box, and they weren't all that enthusiastic at that point of going through another box-- several items they ignored completely (?), and a couple the guy picked up, said "I don't know this one" and threw it back in the box... one was Anton's Meeting Point Card Through Window, which I'm sure would have sold if anyone knew it was there! I also had a brand new ultra smoke 2000 unit and a Peter Loughran Elevator with book... oh well, I guess it's off to the for sale boards...

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Maybe next year. I'm putting together a great lecture and hope you can make it.
I am 27 years old and have been performing magic for 12 years. My main interest is in card magic, but I love all aspects of it. I love to discuss magic with anyone. Feel free to email me anytime.
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Every year we all talk about meeting each other at Bob's and for some reason, we never all link up. I'm sure I passed most of you guys and probable even bumped shoulders.

I thought the lecture was lacking something. Maybe it was just because it was a series of effects shown one after the other rather than a planned lecture. It was Joe's first however, and it takes a lot of guts just to get up in front of a group of magicians.

Cherrie Nelson had some good moves for a 12 year old. I've been on that stage and because of it's size, it's difficult to really do your best but she handled it well. Her dad did mention that she's been performing since she was 4 and with that said, I think she should have been a little more polished than she was.

I enjoyed the comic from Alaska. There were several racial comments that I don't think would have been as successful had it not been that Chris Capehart was the MC and set the mood as only he can.

The illusionists, the Nelson's, started out OK with a theme to the broom suspension but then it just seemed like "let me show you another illusion". The music was overbearingly loud especially since they were talking at the same time. I don't think anyone past the first row heard anything that was said during the sub trunk. Speaking of which, timing is an essential part of the sub trunk and from my view point half way back, there was a moment when both of them were visible just before the switch. Kudos to them though for doing illusions of that size on such a small stage.

Noone does the rings like Chris Capehart in my opinion. As many times as I've seen him perform, I'm always amazed. What he does is impossible but then isn't that what magic is supposed to be?

All in all, it was a great day as always. Meeting new friends and talking to old ones makes it all worth while.
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Can anybody here be honest with themselves. Super Sunday is getting worse and worse every year. I love Bob as much as everybody else but come on this convention was bad.

1. The auction was horrible, some people thought they were bidding on something else than gave back what they won, dvd's were auctioned with no dvds in the cases, and to top that the items that were auctioned were kind of lame or Hank rushes through everything.

2. The close up performers were good, actually real good but they had four at one time, there was no communication on - should the people move to the other tables or should the performers move to the other tables, so not all the performers were watched which was a shame because they were good.

3. The lecture was horrible, note he is good at close-up but his lecture skills were horrible. Halve the people got up and left. Not everybody in attendance can consume that much sleight of hand. A good lecturer will mix it up a bit.

4. admission - either lower the price for the acts he's been getting or raise the price and get better performers (or cut costs by not serving stale cake and 99 cent champagne)what about paying the money for two good acts instead of 5 bad acts. I went to a convention last week in reading and those guys put on a good convention, heck they have an all you can eat dinner included in there price and there covention is still cheaper than Bobs.

5. the dealers - the same dealers every year with the same old stuff, how about a change of dealers every now and then.

There's a lot more I can add but I won't.
And I have discussed this with Bob earlier but his reply is the cost of the room.
come on give me a break.
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Well, first of all, you can't control what is in the auction. It's not a dealer showroom and people will try to get rid of almost anything.

As for items being returned, who's fault is that? The lady wasn't paying attention and bid on the wrong item. I think it was a good gesture to take it back and give it to the next bidder. As for the DVD's being empty, one of two things happened. Either the seller didn't look and believed the cases to have the DVD's in them, or he was trying to get away with something. I hope it wasn't the latter but I also hope that someone talked to him about it.

I too think they spend too much time on some items and not enough on others but they do have a time limit and try to get everyones stuff auctioned off. Sorting through "bags of stuff" and describing each item in the bag is a time consumer at every auction.

Again, the lecturer presented an unprepared lecture. He is accomplished at coin magic however, much of what he was doing is more advanced than the average magician sitting there has mastered.

Believe me, the fees paid to the performers is not that much. Lowing it would result in even worse acts. Bob tries to present a variety of acts and many times it's good exposure for new performers.

I think most attendees are looking for an evening show with variety. Limiting it to just 2 acts might not be the way to go. Mike Miller does a great job each year finding talent (or lack of talent some times)to make it different. One day conventions like Bob's and a few others are sometimes the only chance we get to see acts that aren't out in the foreground.

Advertising, performer fees and two hotel meeting rooms take a lot of money. The admission of $30 really isn't that far out of the norm.

Even though the dealers appear to be your best friend all day, they are there to make money. You're not going to get a dealer that has to travel a long distance to come to a one day convention if they think they aren't going to make a buck. There are the "old stand bys" that make the convention what it is.
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I will absolutely agree that Mike Miller should be given an award for what he manages to bring to the even ing show on such a limited budget. He goes out of his way to bring talent to the stage with what he has to offer and I commend him for that. He is a true professional in every form of the word and strives to make Bobs convention as best as he can.

Joe:
I was looking for you as well and thought I had seen you but you vanished on me before I got a chance to get over there. Yes, the flyer on the table was one I designed myself for the full theater production show we are doing this coming saturday for the family crowd audience. We teamed up with another husband and wife magic team that we are good friends with, and Fantasy of Illusion should be a lot of fun and a great experience for us.

We would LOVE to have you come and see the show if you have the time. Shows are at 2pm and 7pm and will run about 90 minutes and will have an intermission as well.

Let me know if you are thinking of coming, and I will be sure to meet you before or after the show to shake your hand and such. My pleasure.

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Mike Miller didn't book all the acts this year. Mike has going way out to make the show the best for the limited budget he has to work with.

For $30!!!! I bought one item at the auction and the value I save and the increased value of the purchase was double the admission price.

There was a lot of good stuff sold but you needed to know that in advance. A suggestion would be to do it like KIDabra. Display the auction lots an hour ahead of time and let everyone look them over before bidding. It would go faster because most would know what they wanted. No bags, open boxes.

Bob's Super Sunday, is a 12 hour one-day social where professionals can buy books, silks, new products, meet with Marty Martini, Denny Haney, Hank Moorehouse, just to name a few.

Wouldn't it be a perfect world if every show was perfect, every act was top knotch, we had Copperfield, Burton and McBride for the evening show.

The snack was good, the wine was gone, and the gatering of friends was really nice. I got to talk to so many, including, Bundy & Morgan, Dave Scribner
, Kyle, Ron Geffories, Chris Caphart, Rosie, of course Bob Little, Mike Miller, the Nelsons, and so many more local friends.

I had a blast watching this young man levitate himself up on a chair and then slowly float down. A great effect done many times for all to WOW over.

Part of me says Bob should raise his prices because it would eliminate the less serious attendees, and use the extra money to for higher priced acts. Every time I have attended, the money I saved or earned from the auction was more then entrance fee. I've even come home with more money then I went with and still bought stuff. $30 is really cheap!

The couple of high priced illusion items I bought in the past paid for Bob's Convention many times over. Its all in perspective of what one wants and is looking for at Bob's one-day magic social! To me he is undercharging!

By the way, my calendar is already marked for June 20th, 2006 for his next Super Sunday, and I really don't care who the acts are!

What price is worth professionals talking with professionals, getting tips and ideas from each other, laughing and just enjoying the day! (It's a lot different than the 3 hour monthly magic club.)
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Dennis you make my point , raise the fee so only serious magicians go.
And I too agree with you on the auction to display the auction lots before hand.
I don't want any one to take me wrong about super sunday it just seems less work is going into it every year.
You can make the auction better
you can make the close up acts more organized so every one can see
you can put more time in finding better acts even if you have to raise the price.
and maybe switch up the dealers, I know politics is involved but at least get someone new in once in a while.
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INIDYLS, I donít know if you were having a bad day and decided to go to Bob Littles and nit pick about everything that went on their but I do believe your out of place on some of your comments. I will agree that the items for the auction should be on display and hour before so people can have a look at what they might want to bid on this would speed it up a little and give everyone a chance to sell their lot. What I donít like was your comment about the lecture give him a break it was his first time in front of magicians at least he had the nerve to get up there and do it, he has to get his start somewhere, I am sure he will improve as time goes on.

I donít think the cake was stale I thought it was rather good, as far as the Champagne goes not bad, I really donít think the cake and Champagne is an issue here. Now as far as the acts go my Wife and I thought they were all very good and I know for a fact Mike tries his hardest to bring good acts to Bobís but he also gives some acts a little break into the Convention for a little exposure.

I do believe the Twelve year old Nelson girl was good how you could say the acts were bad so I guess Chris Capehart is horrible too, yes Bob could use a change in dealers and I will agree with you on that.

As far as the $30 price tag goes it was money well spent! For a day out with friends who I donít get much time to see because I am always on the road. And to just enjoy the Convention all together. This is my comments and opinion.

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By the way, Bob is in his late seventies, enjoy Bob's Super Sundays while they are around, becasue when the time comes, they surely will be missed!

I will cherish even a glass of "Ripple" with Bob, because the "Wild Man's" days are limited! He has a "big heart" and the "wisdom of age". He provides a service to an area with very little magic dealers, a fun time, and Hooters across the street!

The time will come when I will say, "Do you remember those Super Sundays in PA that Bob Little hosted?"
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INIDYLS, I donít know if you were having a bad day and decided to go to Bob Littles and nit pick about everything that went on their but I do believe your out of place on some of your comments. I will agree that the items for the auction should be on display and hour before so people can have a look at what they might want to bid on this would speed it up a little and give everyone a chance to sell their lot. What I donít like was your comment about the lecture give him a break it was his first time in front of magicians at least he had the nerve to get up there and do it, he has to get his start somewhere, I am sure he will improve as time goes on.

I donít think the cake was stale I thought it was rather good, as far as the Champagne goes not bad, I really donít think the cake and Champagne is an issue here. Now as far as the acts go my Wife and I thought they were all very good and I know for a fact Mike tries his hardest to bring good acts to Bobís but he also gives some acts a little break into the Convention for a little exposure.

I do believe the Twelve year old Nelson girl was good how you could say the acts were bad so I guess Chris Capehart is horrible too, yes Bob could use a change in dealers and I will agree with you on that.

As far as the $30 price tag goes it was money well spent! For a day out with friends who I donít get much time to see because I am always on the road. And to just enjoy the Convention all together. This is my comments and opinion.

Magically




Abra , You just agreed with me on everything I just said believe it or not.
And I never wrote that Cris Capehart was bad. I think he's a great performer, my statement is I would rather see two or three very good acts instead of five acts which only 1 or 2 are reasonable/or mediocre.
and for the lecture if he is a amateur at lectures than he should be doing them for free, I pay to to see a good professional lecture. Again this is my whole point , Bobs convention is getting very weak.
Now like Dennis said he doesn't care who the performers are he just wants to meet and greet, that's fine,I'm all for that if you lower the price.
Everybody here just posted there displeasure with some part of the convention, all I'm saying is take that feedback and bring back the convention it used to be.
It's funny how everybody is agreeing with my statement but can't admit Super Sunday is going down hill.
Well since I'm on this kick right now I'll tell you what else I told Bob about the auction, What other auction do you go to where the auctioneer bids on an item to raise the price or even buy it for himself. Someone there said look at how hard hank works at Bobs auction, Does that mean the auction is great?
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I happen to know three different people who put on conventions, and all work very hard at making them attractive to the majority.
Sure there are some people who will not like one thing or another, but overall, the majority of the people will get a rounded convention, and that is the point.
If someone was to put on a convention with just say three big name close up guys, rent a room, advertise, etc. you better believe that your attendance price would be closer to $100 than $30. Now the problem with that is that magicians in general will not spend that kind of money, some will, but we are back to that work majority, and they will not.
Bob Little has a great one day convention for the price, and I will agree that sometimes some are better than others, but I'm like Dennis, I go to hang out with friends. To me $30 is not that bad, I would spend that on a date for movie tickets and popcorn and soda, so I can hang with it.
Keith Culver put on a great one day convention up in northern pennsylvania and brought in name people, and charged a low price, but guess what happened? he lost money each time, because there were not enough people to support it.
Martini runs a three day convention that has also lost money in the past, then he sought out sponsorship, and turned the whole thing around. The difference there was that he realized that there were not enough clowns to support a clown convention, and yet not enough magicians to support a magic convention, so he combined all entertainers and made it a variety entertainers convention. I have seen some really great acts there, just as I have in the past at Bob Little Super Sunday and keith Culver Magic Day.
But one thing is for sure, just as we are seeing magic shops closing and becomming a thing of the past, we will soon see conventions go that same route if they are not supported.
While this is just my two cents, I tossed it in since I did not make it to Bob Little's this time, but I made the one before and it was worth every penny. We can find fault with anything if we look hard enough, but once these conventions are gone, then what will we do????????
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Again, I agree $30 isn't bad for magicians to get together to swap stories but I'm talking about the overall convention with the activities and performances is going downhill, and on top of that you all agreed , you just didn't say it in the same terms I did. All I'm saying is be honest and stop playing politics.
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I have to disagree with inidyls. I think the the more laid back way in which bob does things works better. I just attended metro magid two weeks ago and while it was great the only thing I didn't like is that they didn't foster a lot of sessioning and socializing, where as Bob does and it turned out great.


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The real question is "Why does one go to Bob Little's Super Sunday?

Is it for the Auction? Is it for the wine and chocolet? Is it to meet the dealers? Is it for the evening show? Is it to get away from the family? Is it to socialize with other magicians in the area? Is it to buy more magic we really don't need? Is it to say, I can produce a better Super Sunday? Is it to compare it with MAES, IBM, SAM, LV Shows, FISM, or other conventions?

What ever reason one goes, that's a personal choice. For years, when Bob was asked who is on the show, his typical response was, "Gee, golly...I don't know, go ask Mike Miller?" It really didn't matter to most of the members at IBM 6, IBM 165, & SAM4. We knew we were going just because he showed up at most every one of our club meetings. Always spoke kind words just about everyone, would do anything for anyone of us if asked. Supported and entertained us all. Many of us go JUST BECAUSE...

It's not about politics, it's not about whos on the show, it about BOB LITTLE. So many of us can list things Bob has done for use, on a personal level and professional level.

I'm absolutely sure, if you don't like Bob Little's Super Sunday, you will not be missed by the many who do. Bob has so many friends that he will still pack them in with his one-day convention, with the auction, non-competing dealers, social hour, dealer show, a lecture or two, and the evening stage show to round out a fun day with friends.

If quality shows is what you want, go to FISM. If its the Dealers go to LV. If its for friends being with friends, local magicians being with local magicians, well one make their decisions, based on what is meaningful to them.

I'll be there June 25th, 2006, and I don't care who is lecturing or who is on the show! If it's $30 or $50, it doesn't matter. One thing is absolute, I will have a good time and enjoy myself. Super Sunday is NOT going down hill, so please don't categorize me into that group.


PS...I pay $15 for a hair cut, $20 at the movies, $25-$35 for a steak dinner, $60-$90 to fill my van with gas, $30 for flowers for my wife, so Super Sunday for an all day event for $30 is really cheap for the 12 hours of enjoyment I receive. It's not perfect and neither am I
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Opps... Not June 20th but June 25th, 2006.
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Inidyls, I tried a convention once and what a FLOP I had. 8 People in attendance and without the help of a few good friends, 1) Martini 2) Buck Clayton 3) Paul Trattner 4) Helene Schad and my wife I would have lost my A&& and if you knew me I do not have any to spare (stomache on the other hand is another story). Setting up a convention is not the easiest thing in the world to do and the only thing I can say to you is "WALK A MILE IN THEIR SHOES" .

I attend Martini's FUNARAMA and he is working prior to the current years convention for the following years. On many of the calls we have I hear behind the scenes stuff about acts that wont commit a year in advance as they have a quote out to a cruise ship or Branson. They want way to much money for what they do. but beacase people only see the income not the outgo they see much, money but in the end those who put on these events do it more to further magic than thier pocket book.

Even if you look that they make (just a number here) $5000.00 for the weekend it took them all year to make it.

My suggestion to you Inidyls, Start up your own and GOOD LUCK

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