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greengrass
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Hi

Being new to the mentalism side of things could anyone tell me.

How much does metalism require set ups etc ?

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Hey there!

If your really into mentalism there's a good room for that here on the Café. All your questions about mentalism and advice should be able to be answered and given.

Some mentalism requires setups. But most of the stuff I've used and have seen is just like any other magical feat. Same setups- just different plots of presentation that make them seem like illusions of the mind. Like book tests. Some are very simplex. Some not so easy. If you consider memorized decks a form of mentalism- then there is a great setup. You must first memorize a stack of 52 cards. But then change the normal presentation and fit it towards mentalism. Spoon bending could also be classed here. It could be comical- or mysterious. I do a comical version. Hope this helps some,


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Thanks for ur reply TomaskoMagic

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I'd suggest that you check out Jay Sankey's 22 Blow To The Head dvd if you haven't. Some of his psychic metalism effects really pack small play big, and it's a great dvd for beginners and intermediates. Some of them require easy set up, nothing lengthy in this dvd.
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I think it will be almost impossible to answer this broad question. Some mentalism effects use pros, some don´t. Some are done on a psychological level, some are simply bold.

Ir really depends on the effect.

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I think a DVD as a starting place for mentalism is wrong - pivk up Corinda's 13 steps to mentalism, and work your way through that.

In terms of 'set ups', as calexa says, it really depends on the effect. I am assuming you are referring to pre show work, but very few effects actually demands this - there are many ways to achieve the same effect.

You say you are new to mentalism, maybe it would help if you told us your level, what you have performed etc, then people may be able to give you further direction for study.

I hope this helps,

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On 2005-11-07 05:46, sjdavison wrote:
I think a DVD as a starting place for mentalism is wrong - pivk up Corinda's 13 steps to mentalism, and work your way through that.

In terms of 'set ups', as calexa says, it really depends on the effect. I am assuming you are referring to pre show work, but very few effects actually demands this - there are many ways to achieve the same effect.

You say you are new to mentalism, maybe it would help if you told us your level, what you have performed etc, then people may be able to give you further direction for study.

I hope this helps,

Si


Previously, Mainly cards

I was refering to using props and setting things up before hand, also using stooges, does most mentalism require this or is the majority done without the things mentioned?

I received an answer in another forum that has more or less clarified this for me but any other input is very welcome. Such as the best places to start learning etc.

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I think the word 'props' in mentalism is something of a misnomer. In magic, there are very definite props (cards, sponge balls, ropes etc), whilst in mentalism, it can be argued (as Mr Osterlind says in his DVDs) that the spectators are the props - they are the animated ones - 'a 6 foot prop'.

I imagine you are referring to actual physical 'props'. In mentalism ,your tools are pieces of paper, envelopes, and other normally simple things. The difference with mentalism is that they are not the focus of the performance - it is you reading the thoughts that is important, and the envelopes etc are simply there - the aim is to make them seem superfluous to the effect. That is the aim of mentalism - they remember that you read their thoughts, not that they wrote something down. This is only achieved through excxellent, natural technique, and superb PRESENTATION.

Stooges and set ups before hand is a hotly debated topic. Read many of Mr OSterlind's superb posts on the topic, and you will see what he and many people have to think. However, almost every effect can be perfromed without the use of stooges and preshow.

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Mentalism is very diverse... some effects take very specific setup... others (such as Muscle Reading) take no set up. What are you looking into?
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