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Scotty Mac
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Hi All,

I'm currently a mentalist, but I'm considering investing in "live" hypnosis training to add more flexibility to what I can offer to clients. I'm really more intersted in stage hypnosis than hypnotherapy, and have read the many posts by Lee Darrow and others to get properly trained.

My question is for those of you that are both mentalists and hypnotists, which tends to be a bigger revenue generator? My main concern is investing in the training and not seeing a return on investment. What percentage of your shows are mentalism versus hypnosis? What's the market like for stage hypnotists in the US (in general)?

Thanks,

Scott
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Do the hypnosis. It pays better
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Thanks, Danny. The mentalist in me was sensing that based on the limited responses.Smile Just got back from Mindvention and was able to talk to some working hypnotists who gave me some great insight.

Scott
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That being said.....what I mean is all things being equal hypnotists get paid better. A bad hypnotist will be paid worse than a good mentalist.
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Scotty Mac,

Let's remember ... a top entertainer (who is or has a top promoter) will make the best money regardless how he/she chooses to display their talents.

If you really want to move into theatrical hypnosis, please establish a clinical knowledge but remember to claim your right as THE ENTERTAINER (they are paying you not the volunteers – and in the end you want them to remember YOU not “some hypnotist”).

It is nice to offer your clients a choice of productions. However, be sure you have the time to focus your energies on the learning curve. Will your current show suffer for lack of marketing/development while your energies are elsewhere? Could you redesign your current show for different audiences?

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Danny/Michael,

Thank you both for your feedback. I agree that quality is paramount in either field. Do either of you have any recommendations regarding formal hypnosis training?

Thanks,

Scott
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Scott, PM me and I can help you a lot. Location will be a factor, but opinions vary so take mine and everyone elses with a grain of salt and make a decision on your own.
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Danny,
I am interested in why the opinion that hypnotism pays better.
I am not disagreeing, just wondering why.
Thanks.
Peace,
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When I started hypnosis I did get paid more, but now I'm doing more mindreading shows. I say that I am very picky with the hypnosis shows (which I am). I much perfer to do a mindreading show, but if I feel like I don't then I don't. Now I am pushing my mindreading shows on more clients and they are interested. Anything to do with the mind is interesting to people.
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Parson, I know few mentalists who average what hypnotists will......

I know the exceptions to the rule Craig Cargis, and the like. I am talking an AVERAGE hypnotist VS. an AVERAGE mentalist and you will get paid better as a hypnotist.

Compare at high levels too if you want too.....hypnotists across the board at equal levels get paid better than mentalists at that level.....in my experience.
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Both shows play strong...but there is a big difference.

Hypnotism shows are far easier to book...people know what to expect...over the years, many of the professional mentalists I have known have done hypnotism "on the side".

You will make much more money, for the same amount of time invested, selling and performing hypnotism shows...it's the real world and that has been the experience of myself, my friends, and some more who post here. Mentalism shows, for whatever reasons, are just much harder to book.
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Maybe hypnotism pays better in the USA, but here in the UK Derren Brown has done so much to bring mentalism to the public that it's mentalism they want.

Hypnotism is (in my opinion) only just beginning to recover from the overkill and bad publicity it got seven or eight years ago, when Paul McKenna brought it to mainstream television, and people's perception of it was that it was bland family entertainment. It *is* recovering, but it's a long slow haul.
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Martin NOBODY in America saw that


Hypnosis is BY FAR the most popular show on college campuses......as well as a major fair attraction.

This is to say NOTHING about mentalisim.....only that hypnosis is quite strong.
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On 2005-12-09 17:46, Dannydoyle wrote:
Hypnosis is BY FAR the most popular show on college campuses......as well as a major fair attraction.


Glad to hear it! My post was only intended to reflect the position in the UK.

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Martin, I strongly disagree with your comments of Paul Mckenna's shows. His success led to such a surge in stage hypnotists (same situation currently experienced with Derren Brown) that every second rate artist presented himself as a qualified performer. After the death of Sharron Tabbart, the media went wild and stage hypnosis became the act you did not want to have at your venue.

There are certain greates in the world of stage hypnosis eg. Ormond Mcgill, Pat Collins, Paul Mckenna, Max Collie, Peter Casson, Martin st. James and many more who have consistently provided the platform for others to earn a easy income
Andre The Hilarious Hypnotist
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Where is this easy income? ..........I had to work my but off and still do for every bit of income I have!!!!!
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My appologies, "easy income" is the wrong expression. I should have said these guys kept hypnosis in the news.
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No need to appologise......just curious why I was missing the easy income is all! thanks for the clarification.
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With a hypbosis show, you are working without a net - if you screw up or have a non-responsive audience, you are in deep kim-chee (korean, n. def: "looks like coleslaw, tastes like napalm"). There is very little you can do for a fallback position. Your show rests firmly on the brains of your volunteers. If you pull a bunch of people who refuse to play, you are S.O.L. Even if you carry backup material in the form of another act, you have FAILED as a hypnotist and that will not sit well with your booker, agent or the venue.

You are also working with a large group of people who are NOT used to being on stage and the problems that such a scenario can bring can terrify even the most experienced performer. Be aware that Murphy's Law is out there laying for you!

As a mentalist, you KNOW that your effects will work if you have practiced them. There is far less of a risk factor in your act and you can concentrate on relating to your audience. You will also not be dealing with large groups of people, generally, on stage, but groups of two ot three people, maybe five at most. This is easier to control, easier to manage safely and easier to relate to in an entertaining manner.

A mentalist's show is, generally, less manic, less physically demanding and more reliable a show for the performer and the booker.

It also has a somewhat lower liability aspect due to the issues I raised above.

Just to scare you further.

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Neither one pays better then the other. It depends how good you are at either one and how you promote it. Alain Nu (mentalist) is making far more then most hypnotists as is Marc Salem and many others.

How much have you REALLY invested into your mentalist show? Have you worked with professional designers for your promo? Is your promo correct for the market you're in?

Your act will dictact your pays as much as your promo and abilities will.
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