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On 2005-12-13 09:28, hypn wrote:
After the death of Sharron Tabbart, the media went wild and stage hypnosis became the act you did not want to have at your venue.


Hypn -- would you be kind enough to fill us in on this story? I assume this happened in the UK.

As to which "pays more," there are issues to be considered beyond the simple numbers on your pay check.

While I made a very good living as a stage hypnotist, I have said for the past ten or more years that if I was starting over, I would concentrate on developing a stronger mentalism act. Two reasons: 1) as cited above, hypnosis is sink or swim. You WILL have shows when things don't go right, and that happens, everyone in the audience knows it. A strong mentalism act, on the other hand, can ALWAYS be brought to a successful conclusion.

And 2) we live in a litigious society. If one of you volunteers trips, or bumps their head, or just complains of a headache afterwards, a lawsuit is possible. Granted, this almost never happens -- but it has, and as more magicians and mentalists look for the "easy" money in hypnosis, without proper insight into what they are doing, it will happen more frequently. A lawsuit against you, even if you win, can be incredibly expensive -- especially here in the US.

As a side note, years ago I gave this advice to a mentalist who was strongly considering moving into hypnosis. He took my advice and now is a VERY successful mentalist -- making lots of money!

The idea that one field pays more than the other is missing the point. You are either a talented entertainer, or you're not. You know how to market yourself, or you don't.

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On 2005-12-26 13:30, kevinuncanny wrote:
Neither one pays better then the other. It depends how good you are at either one and how you promote it. Alain Nu (mentalist) is making far more then most hypnotists as is Marc Salem and many others.

How much have you REALLY invested into your mentalist show? Have you worked with professional designers for your promo? Is your promo correct for the market you're in?

Your act will dictact your pays as much as your promo and abilities will.


I do understand what you say and agree with all of it. Well almost.
As dannydoyle said: the ave hyp V the ave ment... the ave hypnotist does earn far more than the mentalist. It's simply a fact.

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A Google search for "Sharron Tabbert" or any reasonable spelling of her name "Sharron Tabbart, Sharon Tabbart, Sharon Tabbert, Sharron Tabbert") came up with nothing.

I tend to scan the news for information on hypnosis pretty thoroughly and this is new to me. any information would be appreciated.

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Bobser....

I disagree. The ave mentalist does not make less then the ave hypnotist. I'm sorry but both have high end and low end. In fact many low - middle end mentalists get more work because of the availability of venues. A new hypnotist (and most experienced ones) can't/won't work a romm of 12 people -- a mentalist can kill in that venue. More clubs are willing to work with a mentalist because of 100% success rate and they aren't as enviromentalyy specific as a hypnotist.

Now you can talk about the college market and the rumored money that hypnotists make there. Mentalists make just as much. And untill you have spent 2 - 3 years building your name in ANY given market, no matter your act, you're not going to make the money.

PERFECT ANY 1 ACT AND YOU WILL MAKE TOP DOLLAR. Changing your type of act every 2 years because you think someone makes more means you'll NEVER make the money you want.
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I'd like to weigh in here as I perform both Mentalism and Hypnnosis and I do earn as much for a Mentalism Show as I do for a Hypnosis Show however I do more Mentalism then Hypnosis simply because there are more oportunities for performing Mentalism eg.,,smaller house parties and smaller banquets.
Finally I do clinical hypnosis so I'm not intimidated by a small audience with few prospects for volunteers whereas most Hypnotists that I know are edgy about any group smaller then 500 people which would lead to the logical conclusion that more work is available to the Mentalist.

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The problem is making Hypnosis a numbers game. It is not. It is a matter of skill and tools that you have available to do your craft properly. 20 or 100 you can still put on a good show. It won't be the same show but can still be entertaining.

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Ok Martin. I agree. Now, do a hypnosis show with 3-5 audience members
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Ok, hypnotize them all. The 2 most responsive are brought up and the remaining 3 are brought back out. You have an audience and you have participants. It will still be fun and everyone will have a great time. This is usually called an appearance on a radio show :>)

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RIght......I've done radio totally different animal then a show.....in a 5 person show the 2 most responsive are usually not under and the 3 in the audience are embarrassed for the performer who is booked to do 45 minutes.
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Doing radio hypnosis is a lot different than doing a regular show, though. When I do radio appearances, like on Mancow's Morning Madhouse, or JJ's Morning Crew, or any of the others I've done over the years, it's always working with one, two or three people at best and doing very limited bits on the radio - sound bites, nothing more.

Your material has to be sound oriented - imitations, characterizations, mimickery, triggered reponses to do something audible. As a forinstance, when I did Buzz Killman's show in Chicago, for a promotion for the Woody Allen movie "The Curse of the Jade Scorpion," I had her set up to say, "You must see the Curse of the Jade Scorpion," every time I snapped my fingers.

Well, I did this several times, interrupting her in the middle of several sentences, leaving the host, Buzz Killman, in stitches, especially when, during the weather, Wendy was saying, "Tonight it will be fair and," SNAP! "you must see The Curse of the Jade scorpion - WILL YOU QUIT THAT!!"

Buzz was on the floor and that show and that bit was the most replayed routine that year.

But it's not the same thing as doing a private party for 5 people. That's handled differently.

I'd do individual demonstrations with them and then do doubles and maybe triples as the evening progressed. In fact, on the few occasins I've been booked to do those kinds of parties, that's exactly what I've done. Play it on a more intimate level.

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On 2005-12-26 06:31, Lee Darrow wrote:
With a hypbosis show, you are working without a net - if you screw up or have a non-responsive audience, you are in deep kim-chee (korean, n. def: "looks like coleslaw, tastes like napalm"). There is very little you can do for a fallback position. Your show rests firmly on the brains of your volunteers. If you pull a bunch of people who refuse to play, you are S.O.L. Even if you carry backup material in the form of another act, you have FAILED as a hypnotist and that will not sit well with your booker, agent or the venue.

This is called in hypnotism "Audience Acceptance" if the audience "Wants" to be part of the show and will come up on the stage and do it. With an open mind and follow the instruction you have "Audience Acceptance"! Then it is a great show and you will have hypnosis happen. Because if THEY WANT to be hypnotized and be part of the show they will and you have "Audience Acceptance"!

If they don't want to be hypnotized. You do not have audience acceptance and if you are hired to do a hypnosis show for a group and no one wants to do it - GOD HELP YOU!

Lee is 100% correct and has had a lot of years in hypnotism as entertainment!

If a person can accept working without a net has the NERVE of working without a net then they have a better chance of becoming a hypnotist. If a person has a problem with the risk of perhaps no show because the audience is not in the mood or does not want to do it. Then perhaps they should choose something else.
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QUOTE: - "Martin, I strongly disagree with your comments of Paul Mckenna's shows. His success led to such a surge in stage hypnotists (same situation currently experienced with Derren Brown) that every second rate artist presented himself as a qualified performer. After the death of Sharron Tabbart, the media went wild and stage hypnosis became the act you did not want to have at your venue."

TO clarify my previous post and answer Lee Darrow's question - please see
http://www.tracieokeefe.com/sharrontabarn.htm
although I strongly disagree in the content contained in her report, she also published a book called "dangers of stage hypnosis" which makes for a interesting read. Most of the cases mentioned in the book could be explained away, but a person wonders what a layman would have thought

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