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Sensio
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I was surfing the net and found this link about Lynne Kelly who is a member of our forum:

The Skeptic Tank - Cold Reading - Richard Saunders and Lynne Kelly

http://www.skeptics.com.au/tank/index.html

I just wanted to inform our community about this.

aware
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So what ?

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Who cares?
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I am a skeptic and an athiest. Does that make any difference to my audience who wants to be entertained by the power of the mind?

In fact, I would venture you would find many skeptics who know mentalism beyond Penn & Teller, Randi, Jami Ian Swiss, and others who wiould prefer not to accept being taken to the gates and stoned by the Christian right (or any funda-mentalist) as an occupational hazard.

Skeptics question - and do not necessarily expose entertainment methods -- or accept our entertainment "miracles" on faith.
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I do!

Exposure of real work is just that.

Why don't they go after real con's?

Mmmmmm afraid I would say.
Possibly just not smart enough.
(I truly belive this)

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Well, I enjoyed listening to it - Thanks for the link.

Seems to me that Lynne just verbalizes one of the many points of view we have here on the forum. Lucky to have this discussion freedom aren't we.
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Being a skeptic is fine, being an exposer is not.
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Well, I'm not sure we can blanketly say "being an exposer is not [fine]". Arguably, Houdini did a service to the world by exposing fake mediums. I have trouble with the exposing faith healers, and their ilk. I would never expose an entertainment, but a con is fairly and reasonably exposed.

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Lynne explains what magic she would and wouldn't expose and her thinking on these issues in a thread at this Australian online magic forum.

http://www.themagicstore.com.au/forum/

I think you need to register to view the Mentalism section.

aware, I think you'll find there are many skeptics registered here,
some more skeptical than others.

:)
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I am a skeptic but have a problem with exposure.

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I am a proud owner of a copy of Lynne Kelly's book "The Skeptic's Guide to the PARANORMAL." It's a good read.

If you would like to read a little about the history and exposure of 'psychics and mediums' then try, "The Indescribable Phenomenon," "The Darkened Room, Women, Power, and Spiritualism in Late Victorian England," "Miracle Mongers and their Methods," "The Table-Rappers, The Victorians and the Occult," or "The Life and Many Deaths of Harry Houdini," to name but a few.

Skeptics expose the fake, not the entertainer.

All the best,

Rob
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Even in the short time that I have known her, I can attest that Lynne Kelly is one of the most amazing people in my circle of friends. She is a wonderful person with a brain that simply stuns me. Her accomplishments are truly inspiring, including being a teacher, published novelist, science writer, performer, and intuitive reader (and creator of the in-depth Tauromancy system). In addition, she is one of the most personable people I've had the pleasure to meet. She is absolutely NOT an exposer, and deeply respects and treasures both magic and mentalism. Being a skeptic, or having a general, open-minded discussion of cold reading does not constitute exposure, notwithstanding any claims of the magical McCarthy Committee. Lynne is very open about her views, and is a credit to the field of mentalism.

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Skeptics expose the fake, not the entertainer.


Yes, but fakes and entertainers use the same techniques.

When magicians object to exposure, they object to the exposure of magical techniques to non-magicians.

Why don't we give Lynn the benefit of the doubt.

Lynn, have you ever exposed magical techniques to non-magicians?
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I like some of those programs. Thanks for the link!
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Lynn, have you ever exposed magical techniques to non-magicians?



I'm sure she would answer you politely and honestly, because she is a good person -- but why even ask the question? Why does Lynne deserve to be asked that question in a public forum like this? Has she done anything except honor magic, and contribute positively to this group? Being a skeptic does not mean she has to publicly account for herself.

The HUAC used to ask citizens questions like that all the time. "Are you now, or have you ever been, a Communist? We have pictures of you eating lunch with a Communist. Are you a homosexual?" The question itself is simply a form of intimidation, and I strongly doubt you have any real basis to attack Lynne with it.

This thread was started by someone who felt the need to warn us that <gasp!> one of our members doesn't believe in the paranormal, and discussed it on the radio. If you listen to the show, you'll find she is open, curious, and welcoming toward those who don't share her views. Also, unlike many skeptics, she deeply values the process of "psychic" reading.

But I'll answer the question. My mom plays Bridge a lot, and I once taught her a card trick. She has amazed her friends with it. I am an EXPOSER!! I exposed a magical technique to a non-magician. Shut me away, revoke my magic license, and have me disemboweled!

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On 2005-11-12 20:00, 7th_Son wrote:
Being a skeptic is fine, being an exposer is not.


From what I've seen, some skeptics expose people who claim paranormal powers but actually use tricks (like Houdini did, as was mentioned above). I've never heard of skeptics exposing magicians and mentalists. There's far more exposure here than at, say, the JREF (James Randi Educational Forum).

It seems to me that the majority of exposure is by magicians.
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It seems to me that the majority of exposure is by magicians.


how true!

people still don't realize magic is about secrets and entertainment. A lot of the entertainment part comes from the mystery.
You see magicians explain their (and others') secrets in a blink just because the guy who sits with them, who they just met, said he is a magician...

There are also many, many beginner magicians who just expose their tricks after they are done, just to show how cool it was.

Guys, you will be much more appreciated if you tell nothing, but don't underestimate your audience and claim for real powers.

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There are also many, many beginner magicians who just expose their tricks after they are done, just to show how cool it was.


Many intermediate and advanced magicians often expose secrets as well.
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The JREF might not expose much but the cult leader sure has!

As well as demeaning our work and that of magicians.

Jack

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I am making comment on Randi and not Lynne.
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What do you mean by cult--are you calling JREF a cult?

Would you mind specifying how JREF and/or Randi has demeaned the work of magicians?

-Jim
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