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jimtron
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Bruce:

Welcome. The lighting in your avatar photo makes you look a bit fiendish!

I have Rowland's cold reading book, but I'm not sure what you meant by:

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Now, Cold Reading - how can anyone argue there are a lot of people ripping money away from people... go read the amazing book if Ian Rowland's... the classic work IMHO.


Are you saying that people are not getting ripped off? Or are? Are you referring to psychic readers?

thanks,

Jim
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Jim, I would suggest you look at Steves site on Geller. I would also suggest you don't take Ransi's word for it.
That would be like taking Gellers word for it.

Bruce, In the medical field I would say there are more people ripping off the public than there are cold readers in the world.

Heck I would venture to say that just in one state more medical swindlers run their cons than people taken by cold readers in the US.

But as I pionted out before pro-skeptics seem to rail against those who cannot or will not fight back.

I stand by my post that a disclaimer is theatricaly an inept thing to do.
Be it at the beginning or end.

I also think it is one of the things brought about by pro-skeptics.

Being a skeptic I have chosen to be skeptical of pro-skeptics and their actions.

Jack

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Hi Jim!

I was refering to the cool way Ian's book is written i.e. "this things will helps omeone see if Cold Reading is in effect versus true psychic powers..." and that if they are swindeling someone, techniques to expose the situation... however, I think CR as entertainment is endorsed by all - I think it revolves around the power any mentalism can have on a person and what a person does with it.

Hey Jack, I agree there are a bunch of rotten apples in the medical field - not sure %wise if they outnumber % of coldreaders Smile... but then again, in any profession, there are people ripping off people. I think it again revolves around the ethics and moral code of the reader using the skills. As Hickok would say "There are no absolutes!"

I will say again - a disclaimer only makes sense if it fits thematically with the premise of the performance and what the entertainer is trying to demonstrate. Again, there are so many types of disclaimers... it again goes with what are the objectives and goals the person is trying to achieve. I personally use one (which again doesn't mean I think everyone should) for certain contexts where I want to make sure no one actually beleives I have powers - as again, the stuff we can do can fry minds... in a different venue I use a different disclaimer that leaves things vague until the end. Etc.

As for CSICOP - I think, as some members have said, that they go after exploiters more than entertainers. Marc Salem hasn't been harassed now, has he? Nor Andy Nyman! Why, they cloak things in disclaimers that use double speak anyway Smile...
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Bruce,

Nice to meet you good answer/post.

Thanks,

Jack

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