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MICKEY SILVER Elite user Boston, Ma. 442 Posts |
Just when I thought I've seen it all ......... Bob Kohler comes along and executes the Han Pin Chien, right in front of me...over and over and over again.
I have never in my life seen anything or anyone come even close to such "perfection”" ... meaning Bob Kohler's Han Pin Chien is totally invisible ...making it impossible to detect. ”But then again, seeing is believing” ... anybody ever running into Bob has got to see this for themselves. Perhaps, just perhaps Bob will consider making an instructional DVD regarding his unbelievable method and handling of the Han Pin Chien ... If he does...it will be every coin worker's dream. Has anyone ever seen him do it??? MICKEY SILVER |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Bob is a master sleight of hand artist, but I've never seen this. I switched over to the Gallo Pitch the Han Pin Chien looked "funny". Maybe one day Bob will put it on DVD???
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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MICKEY SILVER Elite user Boston, Ma. 442 Posts |
Chris, like you I personally never cared for the Han Pin Chien move. I thought it looked kind of funny as well... but wow!!! ...after seeing the king" do it.... "I love it" and have been working on it!!!
MICKEY SILVER |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Yes Bob's HPC is killer. It is very similar to Latta's Ultimate HPC from COINMAGIC. Bob is really good with it.
Mickey, did he do Paul Harris' Free Flight for you using the HPC? He rocks with that trick. |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
How does dis compare the my Han pien gosh......................
that is done in the spectators hands ........... the godfather |
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François New user France 62 Posts |
The HPC is really one of my favourite sleight of hand, for coins, for sugar lungs, for every small objects in fact. Properly done it's really deceiving, and usefull.
I use this wonderfull sleight each time I do the coins throuhgt the table from Harry lorraine, wich is my favourite version of this trick. I never see Bob Kohler doing it, but I can imagine how great it must be in his own hand!!! |
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Marc01 Regular user 119 Posts |
You can find the Free Flight and the CSB routines(both of them use the HPC) performed by Bob Kohler in his International Magic VideoLecture.
Very good. Marc |
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owen.daniel Inner circle England 1048 Posts |
I couldn't agree more...The first lecture I ever attended was Bob Kohler's when he came to England for the International Magic Convention. HIs first routine was his Copper/Silver/Brass, utilising the HPC (as well as an equally impressive kick move he devised)...Having watched the video multiple times, and watching him in person, it still remains impossible to detect!
A while ago Bob said that he intended to release a video of his coin stuff including the afore mentioned CSB routine (with recent aditions/alterations), so that is bound to cover his work on the HPC. Owen |
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Bob Kohler Special user 704 Posts |
First, thanks for the compliments.
Second, give most of the credit to Geoff Latta. He deserves a ton of credit. Do yourself a favor and read Coinmagic by Richard Kaufman. It documents much of Geoff's work from the late 70's and early 80's. His HPC is invisible. The way I do it is really Geoff's with my mannerisms that make it work for me. Same goes for my CSB routine. I first learned Geoff's in Coinmagic then adapted the first two phases of his routine to my style. David Roth said and I totally agree that the second phase is the absolute best use of a C/S coin. That was almost 25 years ago and I think it still is true. While you're reading the book go through the David Roth section too. It's packed with practical, useable methods, techniques and choreography. New York was a real hotbed of Close up magic in the early 80's. I didn't get into magic until 1981. Geoff and David were my early influences. Next I met Mike Gallo who has a ton of coin material that is still unpublished and will still fool virtually everyone. Mike was way ahead of his time. Soon after I met Tim Conover. Tim doesn't have a lot of original routines but he does the ones he's chosen to work on as well as anyone you'll see. Eventually I'll publish a DVD on coins, don't ask when...I have no idea. |
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Backdoor Regular user Bismark, ND 117 Posts |
I too love your work Mr. Kohler, and have mentioned you here when strings of some of the best are talked about. Also, thank for treating our Dan Watkins so good in producing his Coin Man Walking dvd...He's a real good guy and dedicated coin worker. Thanks.
So we know what Mr. Silver thinks of you, what do you think of him? It's one thing I suppose for laymen or younger magis to witness what he does, but how does it look to a guy that's been around and is considered one of the best like yourself?
-Only The Shadow Knows...Y'know?
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
I'm exited to read about how well this specific handling plays!
TBH, I did read the 'entrance' to the Geoffrey Latta section when Richard Kaufmans *Coinmagic* was published carefully, but never did even try it out My fault I just, right now, had a single go after reading through the actions and I can se and imagine how well it would play when done well and practised thoroughly. I sense however, it is not easy to do, and will take some time to get it down, as alone the use of the CP most likely would give a lot of ppl probs in not telegraphing that during the 'get ready' and execution of the right hands motions. However, no doubt, those using the needed time to learn it well, will be rewarded ! I have a question though to those using this move/Bob Kohler. Is it still a *natural* to use in a stand-up situation? My feeling is, that in this case it is a better choice then using the default/Slydini-like move as the right hand has a better and 'open' position, supporting the body for a split second (spread fingers) before the hand is raised and the position of the right forearm so is in a more natural position pointing downwards, then being almost parallel to the table when using the classic method (Slydini). Next question then is is, if -in a stand up situation- it would look more natural then the Gallo pitch? Actually I don't think so, as the Gallo pitch is an even *more* casual way of doing the HPC, in a sit sown situation however I expect the Latta handling to be superiour to the Gallo pitch. Those in the know, please let us (me) know, I'm curious what you think... TIA... (I know Mike Gallo earlier mentioned that he (and others) absolutely don't have any probs in using the Gallo pitch in a sit-down situation, it might just be a matter of practise and being that relaxed so it's second nature..?) Just curious, what the experts have to say, those, *USING* both moves!
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Werner, try the UHPC as described in CoinMagic into somebody's hands, it's effective. Add a coin on a thread loop or similar and you have an impressive coins across if you want.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Werner, Do you have a PAL VCR? If so, definately get Bob's International Magic Lecture video.
His HPC routines are all done standing. |
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
Just curious, what the experts have to say, those, *using* both moves!
What I have to say using both those moves...really it's quite simple...no big secret...use whatever is most comfortable for you! Mike |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Yes Dan, I do..and I have already been at IMS's site and noticed they not yet have put it on a DVD..they lately have converted so many of their vids to DVD..
On 2005-11-16 09:41, Dan Watkins wrote: I swear to myself NOT to get any more VHS-tapes no matter what's on them I'll keep on looking and might even mail Rons son Martin, pushing a bit to get Bob Kohlers vid converted to DVD, I simply have to se how it looks when well done, but no more VHS tapes... I even wait until some more then just Sony does offer a Digital Camcorder, using the 2 inch DVD discs, before I get a such Camcorder, as I dislike those tapes..sooner or later they get catched in the machines mechanisme and get ruined
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: You did forget the Mike
On 2005-11-16 09:49, mike gallo wrote: As usual a wise answer...(what did I expect? )
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Werner, it may not be put on DVD, Bob told me that he only gave Ron permission to release the video in the PAL video format, not NTSC or in a multi-region format. That reduces the marketability of making it a DVD.
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Yes Dan, you are correct...just checked my last 3 DVDs from IMS, they where all NTSC...well, OK..I'll order the tape in PAL NOW, and make a DVD for my own use out of it..don't tell Bob...On 2005-11-16 10:02, Dan Watkins wrote:
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Marc01 Regular user 119 Posts |
In the Coinvention DVD Geoff Latta does a coins across routine standing . He uses a very different HPC move of the one described in the Kaufmann Book : No slapping of the hand ,hidden coin in finger palm.
For me doing a natural HPC while keeping a coin or coins classic palmed in the slapping hand is very difficult. Any comments on this? Thanks Marc |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Marc01,
I perform a variation of Latta's UHPC while keeping multiple coins classic palmed and I believe that it looks very natural. People's hands are different, though, and some find it difficult to just classic palm one coin naturally without even executing an HPC. Larry P.S. - It doesn't surprise me that BK's HPC handling (or anything else he does) is being praised. |
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