The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Did you hear the latest? » » "Aliun" Levitation Announcement from Ellusionist... (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
bradchristian
View Profile
New user
78 Posts

Profile of bradchristian
...................

After a year and a half of work on Aliun, Ellusionist has decided not to release the illusion. I know this will come as a disappointment to many, but whatever you are feeling could be multiplied several times for the team at Ellusionist... we were looking forward to the release and put countless hours into the project.



The Reason

As the project neared completion we became aware of a feature with Aliun that might compromise the safety of the person using it. Before any Ellusionist-produced product is released, it is first evaluated by our entire staff in a physical, sit-down meeting. While primarily for the purpose of creative improvement, these meetings also exist to ensure quality and, most importantly, safety. During this period, we play devil's advocate vehemently and we are very hard on the product.



A member of our team introduced a concern we had not thought of before in regards to safety and a certain mechanical part of the device. We were somewhat astounded that we had not thought of this issue before, and I immediately made several calls. We found that this piece did possess the unlikely yet present potential to cause physical harm to the person using it. Although it was unlikely (which is why we hadn't thought of it initially) it was still possible.



After a final recent development meeting with our creative staff, Ellusionist has chosen not to release the effect. The absolute last thing I would want to see is one of our members or customers hurt by a mechanical device that we created— no effect, no matter how amazing it is, is worth that risk. In addition, our legal counsel could not green-light the project with a clear conscience.



Having to make that call was extremely hard for us, and tempers flared in the meeting as we realized we could not release Aliun after all of our hard work.



Our apologies to all of our members, clients, and to the magic community who were expecting a great levitation to be released shortly. Aliun is great, no question about it, but safety must take a front seat to everything and anything else. All I can say is that we are as disappointed as you may be, but we are moving on with many, many great ideas and products to be released in the coming weeks.


Brad Christian
President, Ellusionist.com LLC
prince Laurence
View Profile
New user
27 Posts

Profile of prince Laurence
Quite a long message for saying nothing, actually. Brad is saying 4 times the same thing : they don't release it because it could be flammable.
This news sucks big time, why didn't he said this earlier???
If they really worked on it for countless hours a solution would have been found.

Big Dissapointment!!
johnnymystic
View Profile
Inner circle
North Adams Ma.
1576 Posts

Profile of johnnymystic
Where the h*ll does it say anything regarding flames? I see no mention of it...

johnny
I drink cheap tequila and vomit
<BR>I cannot eat hot wings...acid reflux
<BR>I never inhale Smile
<BR>I can put a field dress on a deer
prince Laurence
View Profile
New user
27 Posts

Profile of prince Laurence
Quote:
On 2005-11-16 09:36, johnnymystic wrote:
Where the h*ll does it say anything regarding flames? I see no mention of it...

johnny

Just a guess.... Smile
DAMDAM
View Profile
New user
60 Posts

Profile of DAMDAM
What a total bummer.... I wonder if they have any performance footage of Aliun? It would be nice to see Aliun in works "performance footage"?
Jonathan Townsend
View Profile
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
26985 Posts

Profile of Jonathan Townsend
Given that playing cards might cause paper cuts and when handled by laymen might then transmit diseases, perhaps that line of thought might prevent the next card trick release as well. And please, don't even think about the possible consequences of swallowing coins or...
...to all the coins I've dropped here
Magic2253711
View Profile
New user
Wisconsin
82 Posts

Profile of Magic2253711
You can see a demo here

http://media.putfile.com/ALIUN81
"Sometimes what people think is real, is just an illusion, but sometimes what people think is an illusion, is real."
-Criss Angel
Darius666
View Profile
Veteran user
London
368 Posts

Profile of Darius666
Maybe with much better looking levitations out there now days, maybe they relised people would not want to pay the alleged high price for it.

Or maybe it was just a big wind up from the beginning. Who knows....
Pachin
View Profile
Regular user
153 Posts

Profile of Pachin
You know this is not Ellusionist fault. Brad was very professional and ethical by making this decision. As a business owner I can and understand his point of view.

The problem is the people in this society who has taken advantages of their rights and others and sue you for nothing. I can already see hundreds of parents calling their lawyers to sue Ellusionist because their stupid kid broke an arm playing with his Aliun.

Before all of you criticize others ethical business decisions, why don't you take a look to your own childish comments and posts in this thread. It seems that a lot of you have no idea about the risks and disadvantages of running a business in this country.

You should be thankfull to Brad and his company for at least trying to come up with quality products for all of us.

Joaquin
Mark Storms
View Profile
Veteran user
Seattle, WA
393 Posts

Profile of Mark Storms
It is possible that it could be a ruse by ellusionist because they know that Icarus Effect and Jabob Spinneys levitations are much superior to Aliun and that it would not sell as well as they would like it to. Although I could be just talking out of my ****.
Find out what you cannot do.., Then go and do it!
Darius666
View Profile
Veteran user
London
368 Posts

Profile of Darius666
I think it is very possible. I honestly don't believe you can work on something for a year and a half without realising a possible safety risk.
blindbo
View Profile
Special user
Bucks County, PA
790 Posts

Profile of blindbo
A philosophical question:
Is it still exposure to say how this specifically is safely unsound?

General observation:
After viewing the demo, I can see how someone might lose their balance from 2 inches in the air and fall to their death.
Steve Friedberg
View Profile
Inner circle
1401 Posts

Profile of Steve Friedberg
FWIW...give Brad the benefit of the doubt here, folks. Without having seen the demo or anything of the sort, you've got to believe that he and his team have put a nice amount of time and money into this levitation, an investment that he apparently will not recover. To pull it at the last minute indicates that his concerns are real.

And as for whether alternate levitations are better, I have no idea...but I think we all know that plenty of things are sent to market without concern over whether they are truly superior to competing products.
Cheers,
Steve

"A trick does not fool the eyes, but fools the brain." -- John Mulholland
Bill Palmer
View Profile
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
24222 Posts

Profile of Bill Palmer
Quote:
On 2005-11-18 05:47, MagicMcQuade wrote:
I think it is very possible. I honestly don't believe you can work on something for a year and a half without realising a possible safety risk.

Ever hear about the walkway at the Hyatt hotel that everyone assumed was up to the standards the architect drew? Ever hear of the bridge called "Galloping Gertie?" Look them up. They worked out on paper.
"The Swatter"

Founder of CODBAMMC

My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."

www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
pkg
View Profile
Inner circle
The City of Ithobaal I son of Hiram I
1356 Posts

Profile of pkg
Ellusionist? ethical? me dies laughing....
Double posters should be shot!

No really!!
boomassacre
View Profile
New user
38 Posts

Profile of boomassacre
Make the purchaser sign a waver. I mean its done with large scale "death" illusions.... so why not the same thing here protecting the manufacturer against liability?
I'm telling you the truth, I swear....
Jordini
View Profile
Inner circle
San Francisco
2766 Posts

Profile of Jordini
Dumb. I just watched the video. Looks just like the elevator, which is only $90, not 1500.
"Illusion is the first of all pleasures."
Oscar Wilde

"If you only knew the hours I spent just thinking about practicing"
-The Amazing Jonathan
pkg
View Profile
Inner circle
The City of Ithobaal I son of Hiram I
1356 Posts

Profile of pkg
No no man, it is the joke of the year...ethical?! ellusionist? PMSL!
Double posters should be shot!

No really!!
cgscpa
View Profile
Elite user
Ashton, MD
447 Posts

Profile of cgscpa
Quote:
On 2005-11-20 22:23, Bill Palmer wrote:
Quote:
On 2005-11-18 05:47, MagicMcQuade wrote:
I think it is very possible. I honestly don't believe you can work on something for a year and a half without realising a possible safety risk.


Ever hear about the walkway at the Hyatt hotel that everyone assumed was up to the standards the architect drew? Ever hear of the bridge called "Galloping Gertie?" Look them up. They worked out on paper.


Watch Engineering Disasters on the History Channel for some examples (including the two that Bill mentions) of how things can go wrong despite the best planning, people and intentions.
Darius666
View Profile
Veteran user
London
368 Posts

Profile of Darius666
Surely they could show what the risk is to their customers as its been exposed on all the patent sites. they could sigh a contract saying they are not responsible for injury or something like that.

You and Bill do make a good point, but I still believe the real reason for not releasing this is due to better levs available now and a much cheaper price.
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Did you hear the latest? » » "Aliun" Levitation Announcement from Ellusionist... (0 Likes)
 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.17 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL