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On 2005-12-12 11:06, Alex Linian wrote:
What is Fun?

A lot of people have fun by going to see a horror movie together. I think together might be the key word there.


Okay, let's try an experiment.

Take a horror movie your friends have not seen and change the ending so the villain gets away with it and all the protagonists die.

See if they enjoy the movie.

I strongly suspect the "fun" is the safe exposure to horror all the time knowing that the experience is contained and that no lingering issues from the middle of the film will haunt after the credits roll.

If it's okay with you, let's stay out of the vicarious and negative sides of this issue.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that since FUN is a point of view, the only reason why magic would not be fun is if it wasn't entertaining. You have fun when you are entertained.

So I guess "magic should be entertaining" would be the right way to put it, yeah?
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You can have fun without being entertained. Sometimes the fun is the afterproduct of very gruelling work. Sometimes it's fun to beat yourself on the head, because it feels so good when you stop.

Entertaining is also a point of view. What arrests someone's entertainment in an agreeable manner may be different in one culture than it is in another.
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On 2005-12-12 11:06, Alex Linian wrote:
I think together might be the key word there.


I think you might be RIGHT, Alex. Smile Gotta CONNECT with your audience. Smile
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Amusing: providing enjoyment; pleasantly entertaining; "an amusing speaker"; "a diverting story"; "a fun thing to do"

All that is cool but it’s a bit light for me. I would prefer to scare the hell out them, now that would be fun.
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See above. ^^^^^^ Smile

And as you've said yourself, tommy, fun doesn't necessarily = light. Smile
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However it would be fun for me but maybe not for them. They might be so amazed and shocked it might disturb them and they might not call it fun. But I bet they would love it and come back to see it again. I would if I were them.
Imagine seeing someone do something that you really thought was real magic. Would that be fun or would it just scare the hell out you? Would it still be magic if it was not fun?

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Well, magic is magic, I believe. Smile
Good questions. I've considered them before. And I believe they would likely return to check it out again. I know I've done that in the past. But the magician in question was very entertaining, non-threatening. Smile It would depend on the character of the magician, I believe.
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Magic is magic.
Fun is fun.

I believe most people would enjoy magic given the chance to experience it in a safe/fun context.
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If magic is magic and fun is fun then magic is not fun.
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On 2005-12-13 19:30, tommy wrote:
If magic is magic and fun is fun then magic is not fun.


That is correct tommy. A = A. Good to begin with the basics.

The experience of magic is near the experience of fun.

Both have components of excitement. Fun has a positive emotional (pleasure) component that is not part of magic itself. Magic itself is not as primal as pleasure as it involves how one reacts to a contradiction between what we expect versus what we believe (sorry it's a meta state).

When the circumstances around the experience of magic are neutral or pleasant, then it is entirely likely for a person to react to the experience of magic as exciting and pleasant, hence the experience of fun as a response.

fun (pleasure) is a basic experience or response, magic is a meta-response. From what we know of brain activity via PAT and MRR scans, these inner experiences are follow activity in different parts of the brain.
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"Pleasure" is a better word than fun I think.
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Posted: Dec 13, 2005 8:59pm
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On 2005-12-13 20:21, tommy wrote:
"Pleasure" is a better word than fun I think.

Ah, but does pleasure =A and does A=pleasure? Smile
fun (pleasure) B=B, B does not equal A, A does not equal B.
Is math fun? Smile


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Smile Girls just want to have fun?

I did not mean to spoil your fun, I merely wanted to understand. I regard magic as a fine art, which a pleasure to experience rather than fun. Please forgive me. Smile
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On 2005-12-13 21:36, tommy wrote:
:) Girls just want to have fun?

I almost posted that myself last night. I forgive you. Smile I too regard magic as a fine art, believe it or not. Smile Art can be fun. Fun can be art. We decide, I believe. Smile
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But What is fun?
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If you don't know, Alex, I can't explain it to ya. Smile


Posted: Dec 13, 2005 9:57pm
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On 2005-12-13 21:30, Jonathan Townsend wrote
Sorry, dirty joke there. Guess we need a q-tip for that one.

Not fun. Smile
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Magic should be fun in a weird sort of way.
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O.k. Smile Smile Smile

I think magic should be fun in a fun way. Smile Smile

Anybody got any entertaining magic stories, huh? Smile
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This smilie is not fun but it was used in a fun way. DUCI ?
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