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glatner
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Hi everybody,

I'm fourteen and currently in the process of doing the community service required to graduate from highschool ( I actually do it because I like it.). Recently I learned that a local charity was having a gala, and needed help for the childcare. I called and said I would like to donate a magic show for the kids while their parents had dinner. THe event organiser said that it was a great idea and that she would call me back later with show lengths and exact times/location. A few days later I get a call saying that they liked the magic show idea, and have decided to go with it.... unfourtuneately, they decided to go with an older magician who donated ( I think, if they're paying him it would suck) his time, woul I like to be a childcare attendant?.

Is it just me or did something go horribly wrong? I've ben doing magic for over 5 years, two years seriously. I am more then competent to do a show for 20 -30 8-12 year olds. Am I right to be insulted, or am I just being bitter?

Thanks

glatner.
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I think the trouble with some people is that they dot take younger people seriously and probably thought the older person is better. Im sure your probably just as good as the other guy, but the best thing is try and not let it get to you.

I've had a similar problem with my sister. She is bloody good at art. There are several galleries that sell art work around my area, and I'm not being biast, but her work is just as good, if not better, than a lot of the stuff they sell. They have even been impressed when I've shown her stuff, but when they find out she is 15, they don't want to know.

don't let it get you down, keep your chin up. Maybe next time they will ask for you, and you can tell them that your really busy doing shows, or something like that.
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Go to the thing as a child care attendant, and if the guy is late, do you stuff anyway, after he is done, show more. Give cards to parents who may be interested. If the guy is a great magician, then forget this and learn what you can from him.
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Offer them two shows. One by the older guy and one by you. And take the offer of childcare attendent, too. Everybody wins.
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If you aren't getting paid, and he isn't getting paid, then there isn't any "show theft" involved. If you were being paid and he undercut your price, that's a completely different story.

After all, how did they find out about this other magician? They probably called around using the yellow pages. People who use the yellow pages are generally shopping for price, not quality.
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I don't think you should be doing your own show even if not asked and handing out your cards. That is show theft. Even if he is late or horrible.

Sometimes donating your show for free makes you look non-proffessional. They might think you are desperate because you aren't "up to speed" with your skill and showmanship. Hiring a magician gives a sense of "quality" or "presumed quality"

If you are ever going to do something for free, you first have to make sure that you already have a reputation of sorts. And just saying you have x amount of years experience is not enough. There are bad performers who have been performing for over 20 years.

Yes you should have a show planned (it's called a magicians emergency kit...you should always have one ready whereever you go) just in case he doesn't show up. If you get asked to do it fine, but don't push it. You can offer, but don't belittle the other performer. You never know what might have happened.

Yes, your age does have something to do with it. The younger you are, the harder you have to prove yourself. Unfortunately, that's the way it is.

And to better phrase what Bill Palmer said
"If you aren't getting paid, and he isn't getting paid, then there isn't any "show theft" involved. If you were being paid and he undercut your price (meaning he found out what you were charging and purposedly set a lower price) your price, that's a completely different story. " Undercutting does not occur if the magician gives his actual rate and it just happens to be lower.
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Glatner....sorry to say but its defenitaly your age... I was there once, I was there a lot actually... Theres nothing you can do....Organizers just want their event to go smoothly and have trouble understanding a 14 year old could do this show with ease. The weird part is her calling you back and telling you they hired another magician...dissssss

I say just wait it out man, you cant believe how different people take you when you are older.. Hang in there, this experience only gives you more experience..cheers
glatner
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I think I agree with Mr. Billdentertainer and Mr Leclerc. As for bill palmer's comment: I'm not ****ed that I'm not getting money, as I'm doing it because I want to help out, it's more the diss of "hey magic, good idea, but not you! Do you still want to change dirty diapers?"
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I think they should have included you in the show.
You could have been the opening act.
If you have the chance suggested it to them.
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Glatner,
Go to the show as childcare attendant.Try to get in the front row and "heckle him to death..I saw how you did that one...than tell the audience how it was done.." hehehe Just kidding of course...
Go to the show and try to become his friend.
My last though on this is:They (who ever they are)like to put young people down when they do wrong,but when a young person tries to do good,they won't even give him a chance.
Keep up the good work and ideas Glatner...
Don (a old guy that still thinks young)
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Bottom line: They were rude and thoughtless, and handled it badly. It was probably the fault of someone who didn't think deep enough about the ethics of it all.
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