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Ask all of the owners of crossroads.
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On 2009-09-11 12:12, Dave McFarland wrote:
I have a question about performing this effect: doesn't having the spectator look through the deck then counting 51 cards take a long time. What do you do to keep the performance from losing momentum for those who are watching?


Hi Dave:

The spec. deals, face up, and counts, verbally, at the same time.
If others are watching, have the spec., with the others, count out loud in unison.
There is an 'important reason' for doing this.

Warmest regards, Smile

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Agreed. Counting the cards, and looking for their card doesn't have to be done separately. You can have them count face up, while looking, as described in an earlier post. There's no worry in having them go through all the cards face up. While they're counting, it's hard for them to concentrate any much else.
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Corbett, Sixten

Thanks for the tips

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In his version, Premonition Supreme, in Mind Warp Richard Mark mentions previous work by, amongst others, Sandy Andron. Is anyone aware of the work of Sandy Andron by any chance?

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I feel obligated to keep this important discussion of Eddie Joseph's miracle PREMONITION alive out of respect to one of the great MINDS in card magic.

From a historical prospective let me share the following:

The earliest date I find on PREMONITION (an ABBOTT publication) is 1949.

PREMONITION was later released by the SUPREME MAGIC COMPANY in 1959.

The NEW PREMONITION (an ABBOTT publication) states that the original PREMONITION was published by Abbotts at least 20 years prior placing the NEW PREMONTION birth somewhere around 1970. The NEW PREMONITION that I possess included the original PREMONITION in the manuscript and Eddie Joseph's reasons for re-doing" the effect.

PREMONITION OUTDONE is a two deck effect marketed in the same area of Abbotts cataloges as PREMONITION whose originator was Stan Lobenstern. PREMONITION OUTDONE is 99% identical to TWO DECK COINCIDENCE (Repro Magic) with the differences basically being which color deck one uses first.

ALL of the above effects are terrific and proof to the absolute genius of Eddie Joseph who also developed the BOMBAY principal which allows one to perform absolute miracles with the spectator doing most or all of the handling. As long as this forum exists and I am still vertical I will not allow Eddie Joseph's important contibutions to card magic to be forgotten.

Mike
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Abbotts still sells the Premonition and Bombay effects. "Premonition Outdone" is currently out of stock (probably because of this thread) but they will make more up in a week or two.

http://www.abbottmagic.com/Abbotts-Premo......tion.htm

http://www.abbottmagic.com/Abbotts-Premo......utdn.htm

http://www.abbottmagic.com/Bombay-by-Edd......mboy.htm

And a very popular book on Cups & Balls by Eddie
http://www.abbottmagic.com/Eddie-Joseph-......ball.htm
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Premonition sounds identical to Crossroads---is it essentially the same method and effect?
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Premonition sounds identical to Crossroads---is it essentially the same method and effect?
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Hi Brehaut, No, it's similar in effect but completely different in method. I'd suggest getting crossroads as the effect is very strong.

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I have Crossroads and it is incredible. It simply frys people and is so clean since you never touch the cards. Since I have had such great results with it I was considering Premonition. Is there an advantage to do both?
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Brehaut ...
not wishing to go into too much detail here. But what I can say is ...
using Crossroads, you need more multiple **ts.

So, it boils down to a performers choice.
For what it costs, I recommend the purchase of Premonition to compare products.

I have NO financial interest in Premonition.
Other than say, in my experience as a card mechanic for 30 years, this is the BEST investment I EVER made! A REAL fooler.

Make your judgement and enjoy my friend.
WulfieSmith

Hope this make sense,
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On 2010-06-29 21:15, mtoth2008 wrote:
I feel obligated to keep this important discussion of Eddie Joseph's miracle PREMONITION alive out of respect to one of the great MINDS in card magic.

From a historical prospective let me share the following:

The earliest date I find on PREMONITION (an ABBOTT publication) is 1949.

PREMONITION was later released by the SUPREME MAGIC COMPANY in 1959.

The NEW PREMONITION (an ABBOTT publication) states that the original PREMONITION was published by Abbotts at least 20 years prior placing the NEW PREMONTION birth somewhere around 1970. The NEW PREMONITION that I possess included the original PREMONITION in the manuscript and Eddie Joseph's reasons for re-doing" the effect.

PREMONITION OUTDONE is a two deck effect marketed in the same area of Abbotts cataloges as PREMONITION whose originator was Stan Lobenstern. PREMONITION OUTDONE is 99% identical to TWO DECK COINCIDENCE (Repro Magic) with the differences basically being which color deck one uses first.

ALL of the above effects are terrific and proof to the absolute genius of Eddie Joseph who also developed the BOMBAY principal which allows one to perform absolute miracles with the spectator doing most or all of the handling. As long as this forum exists and I am still vertical I will not allow Eddie Joseph's important contibutions to card magic to be forgotten.

Mike

Hi Mike.
Eddie Joseph (Premonation)was marketed by Harry Stanley long before Supreme magic.
I bought one from Stanley back in 1958.
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Good Morning Tricky Ricky!

As I stated in my post.....I have an Abbotts PREMONITION that dates back to 1949. I dug out all my Eddie Joseph Stuff and found an even earlier copy: "Copyright, 1948, by Abbott's Magic Novelty Co., Colon, Mich." . I believe that this could be the earliest printimg as it does not have the traditional "heavy paper" cover. Instead the cover sheet is the same weight paper as the rest of the manuscript.

Mike
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I need an indexer of some kind because I simply cannot thumb through a packet of cards. It's a shame after composing the decks.
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The Stanley edition was published simultaneously with the Abbott's edition. This was a ploy that many of the English authors and publishers used to get past a problem with the US copyright laws of the time which stated that any book or manuscript published in the English language that was not published in the US automatically went into the public domain. Major publishing houses had addresses in the US, Canada and England. Magic companies are small and didn't generally publish world-wide. Instead, they used publishing house addresses of record.

So, Harry Stanley regularly used Abbott's and Tannen's as the publishing houses of record for his material. Eddie was English, and lived for a long time in India. He also published material through Max Andrews (the Vampire Press).

Ted Lesley's presentation "Pro-Monition" is extremely well-suited for the stage, and it gets past some of the problems that the original had.

In Ted's version, the magician never touches the deck at all. Period.

Wulfie, if you haven't read Ted's version of it, don't put it down. I don't actually believe that you have, from what you have said about Eddie Joseph's version.

The reason Ted's version worked so well for him, and other people might find it cumbersome is that Ted could do mathematical miracles without a pencil and paper. His ability to calculate in his head was phenomenal.

The method that I referred to in the Don Alan book was one I gave to Don, and it eliminates any difficult calculations at all.
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BTW, if anyone wants the system I use for the cards, send me an e-mail. You can find my e-mail address in my profile.

Don't try to send me a PM. I have disabled my private messages.
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On 2010-07-03 14:11, wulfiesmith wrote:
using X you need more multiple **ts.
So, it boils down to a performers choice...
Hope this make sense,


File this under magician jokes. Smile
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On 2002-12-05 08:58, HuronLow wrote:
hahaha.... yeah, I love carrying around fifty two decks in my pocket.... wahahaha


Some engineers at work actually accepted this as an explanation for the "invisible deck" routine.
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I have been doing Premonition for a number of years now. I bought the trickshop manuscript, and immediately fried my magician friends. Lay spectators are even better. Properly established in the mind of the spectator this effect leaves them with no options for any rational explanation. I was pleasantly surprised that the handling is much simpler than it would first seem is possible.

The Lesley "version" sounds interesting. And if I think about it too much, I will pick it up to see if it provides me any additional advantages. Do math in my head? Sure. 2 + what = something? Got it! I know what what is. Therefore, 2 + Anything = something!

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The $4.95 I spent on Premonition was by far the best, most economical investment I've made in my magic (other than "Royal Road," I suppose, and Annemann's "Practical Mental Magic"). It is a knock-out effect, and the misdirection is brilliant. Regarding the card counting, I always have the spectator go through the deck once, hurrying them along (so that they won't notice, well, ahem...). Then, during the actual count, I have the audience count out loud, which gets them into it. By the time they scream "51!" and I do the reveal, they are set to be blown away, and are.

One variation I tried recently was to write "Happy Birthday, Jen!" on the back of every single card (when you have the .PDF, you'll know what I mean). I joke that I was going to get the guest of honor a birthday card, but could only afford this one. Then, REVEAL the face.

Incidentally, I did this a while ago at the IBM Ring and it blew everyone away. Even the full-time professionals in the audience were stumped.
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