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Abbott's model did not come with the blade attached to the frame when it was done sawing. Harbin to best of my knowledge added that feature.

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The story and answer, is within the pages of the "Genius Of Robert Harbin" book by Eric Lewis.

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Don: I don't have the book. What does it say?
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It is called the Robert Harbin "See Saw" (Visible Sawing Through). Published in the original "Harbin Book" sold by Harbin himself, people had to sign an agreement to secrecy, and not leak out the information for a number of years. It is on pages 89 to 96 in my copy, on how to build the sawing.

I had a friend who made this and the hardest part was getting non-tempered band saw blades. He had a gift for getting what he wanted, so he called a manufacturer of saw blades and got the blades before they were tempered. He had a neighbor who was a tool and dye maker that formed the locking mechanism on the blades. The brushes were made cut from Wall Paper Brushes. He later sold the Visible Sawing to the late great Karroll Fox, I would think someone bought it from his estate sale. He was a perfectionist so it was a quality piece.

I wonder why no one has built any of the famous Harbin Illusions from the book, I have never heard of any being made but the famous "Zig Zag" illusion.
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Pete: I must fish out the book it is in storage and see what it says. It goes into detail of Harbin,Abbotts and the origin of this trick.

I guess this illusion, among others are very complicated beyond high school wood shop to make Bill.

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Bill, my friend owns this sawing that Karell Fox owned. May I ask who built it? Thanks, Mike
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That's what I like about the Café'. I was trying to decide between the Owens and Wellington. This made the choice so easy.

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I've been researching the bow saw illusion and thought I would try to revive this topic a bit. Specifically would love to hear from anyone who has used a bow saw on a regular basis.
While this discussion is title Owen vs. Wellington, anyone with experience with a Chadwick bow saw feel free to chime in as well.

Some used Owen's have come up for sale recently... I had always liked the look of the Wellington Saw a bit better, but the Owen illusion is quite beautiful so it got me thinking. A few posters earlier in this thread mentioned the Wellington being more user friendly. I don't think I've ever seen a Wellington for sale used... probably a reason. ha.
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On Feb 9, 2014, Mike Thornton wrote:
Bill, my friend owns this sawing that Karell Fox owned. May I ask who built it? Thanks, Mike



My magic friend name was Edward Strauss, lived in Fort Wayne, IN. He is deceased as of 2012, if memory serves me correctly.
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I have the Owen Supreme version and it is a thing of beauty. The effect is awesome! Wellington is now more or less out of business I've been told.

The Owen version is easy to set up,and can be done surrounded.It is very sturdy,deceptive and a joy to perform.

I don't like the Chadwick version, it is lacking in attention to detail and quality. It is not as smooth and deceptive.

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Thanks so much Don!

Yes, after trying to contact Wellington through various methods, it seems that may be the case. (For purely selfish reasons I hope he opens up shop again, at least making things like the Bow Saw and Trisection).

"Joy to Perform" - what better compliment can a prop get? Next time a used one come around... I may not be able to resist.
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I believe the Abbott Visible Sawing is a Jack Hughes creation. Percy Abbott made some very magical friends when he went to England back in the day. Supreme Magic and Jack Hughes Magic was a mainstay for Abbott's small stage effects and illusions.
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Thought I'd give a bit of an update... maybe revive this discussion a bit. Last year I got a great deal on a used Owen Bow Saw. Despite the thing being pretty beat up (sad that someone would abuse an Owen prop like that!) it still works great. It's a really fun trick, and since I remember seeing Blackstone perform the Owen Bow Saw on TV as a kid, it's pretty cool to get to own one. With that being said, if the Wellington is truly "self working" as they advertise, I can see why the Wellington version is the one to get. There are several steps when performing the Owen version, and they can look a bit sloppy depending on your presentation. My character can justify the necessary moves quite easily, but others might have a bit of a challenge.

Of course the Owen is really the only choice right now unless you happen to see a used Wellington for sale (grab it!).

To me, the Bow Saw is SO much better than any other audience sawing out there. It's a true classic for a reason.
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Wellington is truly self working, none of the buttons and slamming needed in the Owen's version.
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Sounds like you’ve had experience with both Mike!
Yeah I’m kicking myself, there was a Wellington on Magic Auction in “like new condition” and I let it pass. Course it was double the price I paid for the Owen, but still!

I personally like the look of the Owen better, both the table and the saw. The Wellington looks like a prop saw to me, the Owen looks like an actual bow saw, but that’s my opinion.
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I've played with an Owen's and owned a Wellington. Google my friend Greg Gleason, he uses it more than anyone, you can see you just drop the blade in, cut and set it in the bottom, everything is taken care of. I just hooked up a sale of one in mint condition for another magician. There are a few out there. Bill might even have one in stock.
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I've tried to get ahold of Bill in hopes of finding a Tri-section... I've yet to have any luck.

Yes I remember hearing Greg rave about his saw on a podcast he was being interviewed on too. He indeed gets the mileage out of it!

Good to know they do come up for sale from time to time.
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I agree the Wellington version looks more like a prop.
In this magic field you must get a prop when the window of opportunity is open.Whats available today will not be available tommorrow.
This is something I have learned.If you are a pro you often don't have time or want to what until something comes up on auction.

People die,go out of business,parts become hard to get,sometimes they just desire not to make anymore,it becomes cost prohibitive,sometimes even the methods become lost because it is so few out there.
The bow saw will never be widely available because of the expense and craftsmanship involved.

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