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Paul H
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The two effects in Sal Piacente's lecture notes DVD's that use this principle are Paint Poker and Sal's Memory Opener. The latter is particularly effective and fun to do.

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The swedish cardician Lennart Green´s amazing effect The Dragon's Pearl use Gilbreath in a unique way.
This effect is very entertaining and dead easy to do!
I saw him do the effect at a lecture and I had no clue how it was done at that time. Yo can learn it from Lennart Green´s: Green Lite DVD:

http://www.ellusionist.com/order/Lennart......-DVD.htm
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I was completely fooled by Max Maven's The Hawk and The Mockingbird. I know he has a series of routines that he treasures called the Birds of Prey, most of which remain unpuplished I think. I wonder of they all involve the Gilbreath Principle in some way.

There's also a very nice trick using cards with the alphabet from his friend, Phil Goldstein's book, Redivider. It uses the principle to force a word which can be revealed in almost limitless creative ways.

Personally, I'm not fond of the Dragon's Pearl. On the one hand it's a great premise, but I think that when you deal through the entire deck and show that they all come out in a convenient matching sequence that it just screams mathematical principle and not magic. (I'm not sure if it's just me. Maybe I give spectators too much credit).

I will say though that I love the way Lennart Green produces random (often large) objects from the middle of the deck. Does anybody know of a method for doing this while standing?
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Lennart Green has a couple of other Gilbreath effects on his Green Lite DVD, nice ones too.

I always like to allow spectators to make that last shuffle in Gilbreath effects - makes everythings seem so fair Smile
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On 2006-05-12 16:59, Jameson wrote:
Personally, I'm not fond of the Dragon's Pearl. On the one hand it's a great premise, but I think that when you deal through the entire deck and show that they all come out in a convenient matching sequence that it just screams mathematical principle and not magic.


In Lennart Green´s excellent Dragons Pearl the spectator shuffles the cards before the effect occurs, how can yo say it scream mathematical???
I think it looks extremely fair. Yes, if the deck was unshuffled I would think it was a stack.
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I was a math major in university, my brain is bent that way. Also, like I said, maybe I give spectators too much credit.
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I found this quite nice explanation of the Gilbreath Principle online. I don't recall ever seeing this link mentioned before.
http://www.bitwisemag.com/2/Garden-of-Gilbreath

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On 2004-11-03 21:19, S2000magician wrote:
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On 2004-11-03 20:53, Eddini_81976 wrote:
In the Mockingbird I have the full deck shuffled once as Max Maven teaches, but can it be shuffled more than once?


I don't recall the details of the effect - it's been a long time since I've seen the tape - but the general answer (to shuffling more than once with Gilbreath effects) is: "No."


It's hard to explain why without exposing it, but Mockingbird allows multiple shuffles. The initial shuffle takes advantage of the Gilbreath Principle to put the deck in a certain state. The deck can then be divided into packets in such a way that multiple shuffles are allowed, because they are irrelevent. It's a great, great routine.
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Have also a look at Lennart Green 26 000 $ bet, in Green Lite DVD. A great effect, easy to perform and with a great pattern. Spec shuffles himself the cards, baffling !!
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There is compilation of the Gil-Principle:
Reinhard Mueller: GILBREATH'S PRINCIPLES (1979), 22 pages, a lecture at the ESCORIAL
cardidician's meeting.
It was sold by Jeff Busby Inc. in the US

If interested post me.
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I agree with Mats Kjellstrom about Dragon's Pearl. While it may seem to be mathematically based, the combination of the Gilbreath Principle and the legitimate Rosetta Shuffle, done by the spectator is going to fly by 99 out of 100 lay people. All of the coincidences which follow are just inexplicable. And, tying this to a kind of theraputic procedure which combines a sort of fortune telling with healing powers is especially good for ladies, which Lennart points out. This is not the kind of thing you can do everywhere, but in the proper setting, you could start a religion based on it.

Don't play it like a card trick... it transcends that. Do it as some kind of Eastern psychological cleansing process or healing procedure and they will talk about it for the rest of their lives.

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O.K, I have heard about the "DP". Now where is it in print, or DVD?

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Edh, Dragon's Pearl can be found on Lennart Green's "Green Lite" DVD, from A-1 Magicalmedia.


I remember when I first moved to Las Vegas, and began attending Gary Darwin's Midnight Magic Club. At one of those early meetings, I joined a group of people who were performing, and then teaching, routines.

When it came to be my turn, I performed and taught Terry LaGerould's "Best Bet Yet", which depends on the Gilbreath principle, and explained the trick. I tried to explain the Gilbreath principle as best as I could, and then the rest took their turn.

Later that same night, I was talking to Gary Darwin, and he introduced me to an older gentlemen, who had been at the table earlier that evening, but whose name I never learned. Gary said, "Scott, meet Norman Gilbreath!" Smile

I can now honestly say that I'm the man who taught the Gilbreath principle to Norman Gilbreath. Sure, it was decades after he made it famous, but . . .
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That is a pretty funny story Scott. Did you both have a good laugh?
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I love Lennart Green's very visual explanation of the Gilbreath principle on his "Green Lite" DVD. He uses his outstretched fingers and it really clarifies it... at least for me.

However, don't worry too much about it. There are countless marvelous effects based on GP and you can do them even if you are clueless as to why the principle works.

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On 2008-08-23 12:46, stax wrote:
That is a pretty funny story Scott. Did you both have a good laugh?


Yes, we did. He actually complimented me on the explanation of the basic principle, so I did feel a little better after that.
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There's also an effect using the Gilbreath Principle in the new Allan Slaight book; Spins & Needles. It's called Magnetic Miraskill.
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One of my favorite using the Gilbreath Principle is "Aunt Mary's Terrible Secret" by David Williamson. It's a completely IMPROMTU MiraSkill routine with a shuffled deck in play. The spectator shuffles EVERY TIME and during the course of the routine it sets itself up for the killer ending with the Gilbreath Principle.
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Someone mentionned it earlier in this post, but I'm wondering if there's been any new information on when Max Maven might publish his work on the Gilbreath Principle. That would have to be an instant classic. Max's intellect applied to this great concept....."a thing of terrifying beauty."
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The new book The Peristance by Daniel Péris have an principle that is an extension of the Gilbreath principle.

Check it out:
http://www.magicproshop.com/the-peristan......167.html
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