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kramerica2010 Veteran user 329 Posts |
Hello all. I thought of a short little silly transposition using the muscle pass. It establishes a little kinda secret relationship with the audience who sees the pass and I like when you can get in that relationship zone. You know what I mean? It gets you closer to the audience. I'll try to ttype as much detail as I can. I'm not a great typer but I can type 100 words per minute-but it's in my own language(Mitch Hedberg joke. Any Mitch fans out there?) OK here we go:
Take a quarter and get one spec to assist you. You show him a coin in your open,lowered left hand and your empty right hand in a closed fist raised above your left hand to your comfort level as to how far you can muscle pass the coin up. You tell him to hold your wrists apart so they can never touch to exchange the coin in the hands or whatever. You then command him to close his eyes. When he closes his eyes, you will do 2 things at once. 1)You will muscle pass the coin in your left hand to your ight hand as you open your closed right fist and catch the coin then close it back up. Now the spec who is holding your wrist might be able to feel something weird kinda move(that is the humorous arm bone I think slightly moving due to the pass). You will cover the weird alteration of the bone by 2)seperating your hands farther saying something like "I'll move them a bit farther just to make it a little harder" Meanwhile the audience is snickering because they just saw the coin shoot up into your other hand. This is when the special relationship I was talking about is made. Look around to them like expressing "you did not just see that ." Say whatever magical word you'd like here-I think giggity giggity giggity giggity giggity would work well. Tell the spec who is holding your hands to open their eyes and discover that the coin has impossibly transported to your other hand. This trick is the same idea behind the old coathanger trick. You either have an extra one or you have a hole thorugh one and you keep fooling the one spec who closes their eyes while all the other specs are laughing. Its just a fun little trick. Any comments? |
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Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 837 Posts |
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On 2005-12-02 03:16, kramerica2010 wrote: Hmmm...Family Guy fan????? Nice little routine, but don't you think your exposing, IMO, such a powerful utility move. After having a long conversation with David Oliver back in September he caused me to start thinking a little differently about the muscle pass and how I use the move in performance. Just a thought though... -Bill |
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
Interesting premise. I tried it out a couple of times on co-workers this morning with no success. Either the spectator would open his eyes to be a smart *ss, or he would suspect foul play by on of the other spectators. The latter actually brings about some interesting presentation possibilities.
Maybe your idea needs to be a middle phase of a longer routine. Without conditioning the spectator helping out, one of the two above results is sure to happen. I would consider having a second spectator take the coin out of one hand and into the other while the other guy has his eyes closed. That would help get the spectators on your side while giving a kinda "paper balls over the head" kind of feel to the routine. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress. This has the potential to be a great opening effect for close up.
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
Interesting premise. I tried it out a couple of times on co-workers this morning with no success. Either the spectator would open his eyes to be a smart *ss, or he would suspect foul play by on of the other spectators. The latter actually brings about some interesting presentation possibilities.
Maybe your idea needs to be a middle phase of a longer routine. Without conditioning the spectator helping out, one of the two above results is sure to happen. I would consider having a second spectator take the coin out of one hand and into the other while the other guy has his eyes closed. That would help get the spectators on your side while giving a kinda "paper balls over the head" kind of feel to the routine. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress. This has the potential to be a great opening effect for close up work.
“We're two tigers away from an act in Vegas.” Greg House M.D.
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Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 837 Posts |
I agree with Eric on this one...
I think you should substitute the MP for something else, because like I said in my original post, it might expose the move too much. I like the idea of the routine and also think there is potential with it. I should have originally said in my first post. Good luck! -Bill |
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kramerica2010 Veteran user 329 Posts |
Dearly noted. And yes, I am a family Guy fan.
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Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 837 Posts |
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On 2005-12-02 13:52, kramerica2010 wrote: "Allllllriiiight..." |
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
This is awesome with the right kind of audience control....
After the first phase to "cue" them, you could do horizontal by having a spectator move the coin, ect... |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Makes me wish I could do a muscle pass like some guys here ... eighteen inches.
Just a thought.. perhaps go horizontally instead of vertically. As a second or third phase of a coins across it might be very funny. Good thinking! Thanks for sharing your idea and findings
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
I like this quite a bit. The "old routine with the coat hangers" you're talking about is Mike Caveny's "Powers of Dimness" which is Mike's take on the classic Corinda "Powers of Darkness". Your routine does share the angle of making most of the audience complicit in the deception. However, because they can't readily explain what they saw ("The coin jumped up into his other hand") this is actually closer to Mike Close's "Ruthless People" routine, and therefore even cooler.
I don't think you need to worry about exposing here, since, as in the Close routine, most of the fun is in the fact that the person who had his eyes closed WILL NOT BELIEVE the explanation, if and when he finally gets one. The payoff on this gag is when he thinks everyone is lying to him, because they all want to keep the secret. You can see how this works: Victim: "No, really, did you see how he did it?" Victim's former friend: "Yeah. The coin just jumped up from one hand to the other." Victim: "No, really, how did he do it?" You set up this dynamic with the way you introduce the stunt. You can say things like "Now don't tell him how this is done, if he asks, just make sonething up..." and you make sure the victim hears you say this to his former friends and loved ones. Remember, it's fun to be fooled!
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kramerica2010 Veteran user 329 Posts |
WOW! It's a honor to be told your trick is good by Curtis Kam. Thanks for all of your feedback.
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
I love Family Guy! Anyways, sounds interesting, but I hope your not exposing how the pass is done to the audience are you?
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kramerica2010 Veteran user 329 Posts |
I don't think exposing the muscle pass a big deal. Exposing somehting like the clasic pass would be unacceptable. The audience will sometimes be suprised and enjoy the fact that the coin shot up even if they saw it and some poeple wont. I've had diverse reactions
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
I think what Bill meant by exposing the muscle pass was not to use it in its usual "the coin that falls up" capacity. Rather use the move secretly as Akira Fuji does in his coins across, or as Shoot Ogawa does when ditching a coin.
Either way I still think this has a lot of potential. Curtis, what book is Caveney's routine in? I've never been exposed to any of his material...
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Eric,
Mike Caveney's "Powers of Dimness" is either in his book, "Magicomedy", his pamphlet "Ideas" or sold separately. If copies still remain, they should be available on his website (sorry, I've forgotten the site address) or H&R books.
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Rob Elliott Elite user Reston VA 487 Posts |
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On 2005-12-02 17:01, Curtis Kam wrote: I love it! Leave it to you to come up with a brilliant addition to the effect, Curtis. Now to go work on my muscle pass... |
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Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
Patrick Drake is the best in the world at it, and he lives in Halifax!!!! Mwahahahaha. He can get it like 3 feet!
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pdrake99 New user Halifax NS Canada 12 Posts |
Thanks Cory...you rock...here's an idea that I use with much success in the restaurant I am presently working in. I do my MP from right to left, and my fake transfer from left to right (weird huh?)...in the waiting area, I have about 10 people...in the process of a coin routine, I explain that I am going to "expose" one of magic's most valued secrets. "First, I will perform the trick, then I will use slow motion replay to show you how I did it"!! Perform a fake transfer left to right, "close" your right hand "over the coin"...I palm the left hand coin as I am gesturing to "snap" my fingers (a great way to hide the palming)...keeping my hands wide apart, I "hang" the left hand down (with palmed coin) and quickly open my right fist...at the same time I instantly close my left hand into a fist as if showing that the coin has travelled. Now I say that I will how how I did it...this will take a LOT of practice to get just right...you mime in slow motion placing the coin into the right hand (really milk this...move as slow as possible)...as the right hand is moving to the right, the eyes go to the left hand as it SLOWLY gets ready for the "snp" motion...the right hand positions the coin for the horizontal muscle pass...as the left hand snaps, the eyeslook to the right, the coin is shot to the left hand which closes over the coin, you then pretend to "look" at the right fist as if it contains the coin (winking t the audience as you do so...this alone will get gasps)...now do the magic...look at the right hand...snap the left...how the coin has "vanished", show it in the left...the strongest part of this routine comes when you tell them that you will do it agin "at regular speed"...do the regular vanish, pretend to watch it shoot across, show the coin in the left hand...people will be astounded that "they couldn't see it"...practice hard and have fun...
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Lawrens Godon Inner circle France 1108 Posts |
He he, that's wonderful thinking...!
Thanks for this! |
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Spydur Special user PDX, now San Diego...back to PDX 966 Posts |
You should check out the routine that Roger Klause does using the muscle pass and soft half dollars for a sequence in his coins across. I think you'll get a kick out of it.
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