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I have been practicing Mr. Osterlind's perfect center tear as shown and taught on his fist DVD and I ahve a question pertaining to the lenght of time that the final pieces should be held prior to reading the information. During the performance, MR. Osterlind performs the tearing and reading without any pause between the tearing and the reading. However, during the expanation segment, Mr. Osterlind suggests that the torn peices can be held in one hand openly and even tranferred to the other hand prior to the reading and then can be read.

When I practice the tearing I sometimes need a little more time to insert my thumb into the final fold to open it. I also sometimes need a little time to move my thumb from the middle of the piece with the information to the side or edge since my thumb is covering the word/name.

My question is therefore is it alright that I take a bit more time to open the final fold and to hold the torn pieces in my hand so that I can make sure I get a clean look at the information before I look at it and before I make the final tear before giving the pieces to the spectator? While it should eb done relatively quickly, is ti alright that there is a pause between opening the paper with the information on it and holding it in my hand and the final tearing of all the pieces?

Thank you very much.

Michael
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It all depends on what works for you - your presentation, mannerisms, patter, etc. IF you are naturally laid back, then suddenly rush the tearing, it would look unnatural.

Work on getting it smooth, casual, and make it fit in with the presentation. I personally pause slightly also, but make a gesture as I transfer the pieces to get my thumb in, saying along the lines of 'picture them clearly in your mind' - it makes sense to make a gesture with the hands, and gives a natural pause in the proceedings.

All I am saying is that work on your own presentation - everyone is different. The only advice I can really say is that treat the pieces of paper with indifference - if you do, so will the audience, and they will remeber that you read their minds, rather than played around with some paper.

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Well Michael. Of course you also can hold it a bit longer in hand. Though I would suggest to practice the moves until you are able to reduce the time to a minimum.

But if you want to hold it longer in your hand the key to success is like in many other moves to have a reason for this and justify movement.

So you could hold out your other hand in line of the hand holding the piece to demonstrate that the spectator should hold his open plam flat out. So when you look at the hand demonstrating the action at the same time you automatically look at the piece in your other hand and can read the content easily.

That's the basic principle to all moves. Do a an action logic to the audience and then within this action you can do another action (peeks, etc) unnoticed.

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Wow, that was almost perfect telepathy Simon, wasn't it? Smile

Answering the question at the same time with quite similar advices. That's my new routine 'synchronicity of minds'.
Will sell it shortly via my website for about €1.000,- Smile

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It was indeed!

Funnily enough Thomas, I'm working on the exact same piece!

Great minds think alike, as they say!

Sounds like a good effect -I'm currently working on my 'Out of this Thomas Rudolfo's Head', priced £2.500, avalable from most good online magic stores.

Cheques made payable to me (and Thomas)

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Great idea Simon. Now I sit here an wait for orders..... Smile

But to get back to Michaels' question. Hope we could give you some help. If you need further help I'd suggest doing this via PM.

Best greetings from a rainy Vienna
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Sjdavison and Thomas,

Thank you very much for your very helpful comments and suggestions. I really like your suggestion, Thomas, about reaching out with your hand to indicate to the spectator to do the same so you can hand him/her the pieces while at the same time take the peek.

Do you find that the stiff, heavy paper that Mr. Osterlind uses and sells on his site is the best paper to use?

Thank you again for your help and courtesy.

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Michael
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Indeed. Sorry about that aside.

It is not essential to use special paper - it can be done with any pieces of paper lying around, that is the beauty of the CT. However, I believe that the paper MR Osterlind provides gives a very clean rip, and is opaque.

Holding out a hand is indeed a good way of doing it (that is how I do it also - reading my mind again Thomas!), but another suggestion is having them cup their hands to receive the pieces, and as you demonstrate, you get the peek. AS I said, it is really working on what is natural.

The best advice I can give is to get plenty of sheets of paper, and spend a few days ripping them up, getting the peek, until it is second nature. Whilst doing this, talk through it to yourself as you would do in real life, working on the patter.

During this, imagine what you would be doing if reading a person's mind for real. Then while working on the scripting, you will naturally find the opportunity for the peek, at a natural moment in the performance.

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Well I wouldn't say that it is the best paper (what is the best paper?) but it indeed is a very very good paper since Richard for sure did search around a while to get the right size and structure of paper.

I found a good one here after some search at office supply store. Its a kind of memo pad and the beauty of its size is that you can cut through the pad (and binding) and I automtically have two pads of paper I could use and which has the right size and grain for my use.

So just search around and find one. Important is the size for your handling, the right thickness that you cannot see through of course and also the right grain of the paper because this can make tearing up the paper a lot easier.

But if you cannot find a suitable paper I'd higly suggest that you order one from Richard since a friend of mine gave me a few sheets for testing and if I couldn't find the paper I use anymore I definately would order it immediately.

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Again I have to agree with Simons post. (I love my new effect or better sais Simons new Out of this...effect Smile )

Of course any paper would work. ANd I also had to do it when I didn't have my pad with me. BUt for paid shows where you can prepare in advance it surely would be good advice to have a paper that works with ease and so you don't have care about this but only on presentation.

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Absolutely Thomas. Gosh, we should go into a two person telepathy act!

I think our effect could be the next best thing...!!
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Sjdavison and Thomas,

Thank you once again for your help and courtesy. Sj, I also like your idea of cupping your hands together. This gives a very natural looking cover to do the peek and has a reason for doing it as well.

I will keep on using Mr. Osterlind's paper.

By the way, you can send me my 15% manager's fee to me thru the Café.

Thank you again for your help.

Best regards,

Michael
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