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Matt Malinas Inner circle Transylvania 1367 Posts |
They're both ok. I would go with icarus. it looks a little more natural.
I saw some clips of criss doing his thing and if you look at him carefully he seems to be struggling. and the position of his feet is fishy. I don't know neither methods so I won't critisize any longer. I just think that icarus looks more natural -Matt
The masters make the rules, for the wise men and the fools
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troller Loyal user 276 Posts |
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On 2006-01-05 23:12, troller wrote: Quote:
On 2006-01-06 21:06, lane99 wrote: I am pretty sure I said US or Canadian in my post. But I will accept Euro, UK, Aussie or any other currency that is above Canadian. I prefer to make at least my own countries equivalent of that $100. Thanks for posting. |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Troller:
My impression is that you've looked at the videos of Icarus Effect and The Jacob Spinney levitation that Chris Angel performs, worked out the methods that you think are behind each, and now are offering to sell your ideas of other people's methods. Does anyone else here think that this is just a tad off base? - entity
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
Just a tad off base maybe eh Entity. Funniest things I have ever read. People are hypocrites for getting annoyed with Troller. Funny word to use when you have no facts, havn't purchased anything and seem to have the most advice on both Angel and Icarus levs. I'm thinking that H word might night fit Troller. Now another word or two comes to mind, misinformed, guesswork or maybe speculation. Anyone wanting to fork over 100 bucks for that then I guess they probably would deserve what they get. Troller I don't need to see your work, your words and advice have about covered everything we need to know.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
As long as it's the original DVD, and he keeps no copies, no government, and no manufacturer has a problem with selling DVD's after you've purchased them.
I do agree that teaching magic secrets opens up a bit of a differnt issue when it comes to DVD's.....are you obligated to forget what you've learned? It's always been the same with books, if you buy Jim Steinmeners Device and Ilusion, and then sell it, you'll still know all the stuff that's in it, which sort of indicates that that same applies to DVD's. It certainly wouldn't be the first time somebody bought a secret in either trick, book, or DVD form and was dissapointed in how simple or how impractical it was, and tried to recoup their hundred bucks be re-selling it. |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Silverking:
Huh? Troller, by his own admission, didn't buy the DVD's. He isn't offering to sell a purchased DVD. He has attempted to reverse-engineer other people's work, and is selling notes on how he thinks the other effects are done, and he is calling it his own. - entity
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
Silverking not following your logic. Of course you can sell a dvd that has been viewed or listened to, that is not the issue here. Entity covered it very well, lets not confuse the facts.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
I misread one of the posts, my apologies on wandering off track.
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troller Loyal user 276 Posts |
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On 2006-01-07 14:01, jfkkraemer wrote: I heard that you also don't own neither of the levs and seem to be a permanent poster on the levs. What's up with that? Once again you are proving you are a hypocryte for real. And Entity is also in the same boat.. he is MENTAL - ist and does not perform the levitation. Go ahead and ask to see one of his shows and you will see that he does not perform the levitation. You speak from no exerience from neither seeing what I am offering... nor have you seen what I have - so what are you talking about. For all those that want to purchase the Icarus Effect or the Criss Angel version.. go ahead... my version allows you to do something none of the two mention do. And no I do not levitate onto objects like they both do so how did I reverse engineer anything? OK, lets stop this madness you two seem to be so into. Flaming wars. Sounds like you both are the most unfriendly posters here. I think I shall take my business elsewhere and stop using this board for it has become one non-informative, barrage of insults of any forum out there. I shall pass the word to others too. |
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
Troller do you just make this stuff up as you go. I originally come from Toronto Canada, just a short trip to Oshawa were Peter lives. He sent me the original E1 and when I moved to SoCal he also sent me the E2. If you did own any of these you would not sound so sad. As far as Icarus, I believe mine is numbered 3. Criss' lev I recieved as a christmas gift from wife so I would love to know who you heard from that I don't have any of them. Hm, I guess my access of the Icarus forum is a fluke, oh wait, you have to be a registered owner to be on that. Imagine that, I haven't seen you in their Troller. Troller get your facts correct, you sound like an angry little boy. You sound like you need help with the philosophy of magic, get some.
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
Please feel free Troller to stay awy, I am sure you will be much happpier pretending somewhere else.
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troller Loyal user 276 Posts |
Just need to stay away from you. Flame on you wheasle.
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
While I am a Mentalist these days, I made my living as a Magician for many years. While I do not perform that particular levitation in my current show, I have used the Icarus Effect for promotional purposes. I am a good friend of the inventor of that levitation, Aaron Paterson, and have been in on its development since he first started working on it in 1994.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, Troller, but didn't you post saying that the Angel levitation onto a chair was done with wires? - entity
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troller Loyal user 276 Posts |
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On 2006-01-09 15:24, jfkkraemer wrote: I do not like the E1 or E2 and a lot of complaints from people that have bought it at my local magic store. Quote:
As far as Icarus, I believe mine is numbered 3. Criss' lev I recieved as a christmas gift from wife So you just received it and you have been posting as a person whom was totally familar with both for quite a while. And I doubt you created the Criss Angle gimmick as you just received it and it would take some time and expense to create it. So you are an arms chair quarterback on this one. Quote:
You sound like you need help with the philosophy of magic, get some. Sounds like you need to work on your people skills. You can get a lot further creating friends on this board even those whom you think are beginners, wanna-bes, or people with a higher education than you therefore can think outside the box. It's not rocket science eventhough I have experince in it. All my post have been using common sense approach and tried to help all that have asked for it. Suggestions and approaches are just that... advice. And now for the other monkey wrench trying to ruin this post with negativity: Quote:
On 2006-01-09 19:14, entity wrote: You still cannot prove that it wasn't using wires and I can still prove that it is wires. If anyone cares to discuss it privately, send me a PM and I can show you why and what is causing me to say it is done with wires. Ah... the magic of television... how the heck are you gonna prove me wrong.. are you a close friend of Criss Angels too and have been at that event? OR did Criss send you a note personally stating that he created it with the method mentioned? So then how are you all of a sudden the ONLY ONE that is an expert? Everyone has their opinion and I did have mine at that time. So - we agree to disagree. Let's keep it sane and level headed. No flaming and no barrages of misinformation. Opinions are welcome, after all we are all in this to learn. Not fight. |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
...and THIS is the guy you wanna buy a levitation from?!!??
Good luck. - entity
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
Troller you are just to funny, give it up, your starting to sound a little stupid now.
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Bill Thompson Elite user Mississippi 422 Posts |
I beg the admins to close this topic. Nothing of any value is being offered in it now.
"To let understanding stop at what cannot be understood is a high attainment.
Those who cannot do it will be destroyed on the lathe of heaven." - Chuang Tse |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Agreed
- entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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