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Ignore me... Loyal user 230 Posts |
I love the cups and balls, and have learned quite a few master routines to find what works for me, and under what circumstances.
In reading the recent Vernon wandspin thread and its discussion of naturalness, I thought about how absolutely natural the Johnny Paul cups and balls routine is. Due to the constant demonstration of fairness and the hugely open handling, quite a bit happens which is, for laymen, inexplicable. Even magicians tend to get lost trying to follow its methodology, in my experience. Although I don't know of any specific Johnny Paul cups on the market other than from Peter Biro, I can make do with lots of other sets, including some of my western-style wooden sets (although I don't smack them around like Paul), or even those cheap chrome Loftus sets. Some small experimentation found suitable balls of appropriate size, both sponge and those large pompoms you can find at craft stores. I originally thought the pompoms would be noticeable or problematic at two specific parts of the routine, but I've not had a problem with them. I had to adjust Paul's body language for my own style, but isn't that true of most things, unless one is content to just mindlessly copy? *laugh* Getting back to my original point, though, everything in the routine makes sense, and there is no question of, hey, is he hiding something there? It is an excellent example of great routining. Is anyone else doing this excellent routine? |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I did it for some time, but switched to doing a Hindu Cup routine as it fits my style more. However, if you want to learn a baffling routine that works in the environment it was designed for... Paul's routine cannot be beat.
When I first saw him do it and had no idea... it had me completey baffled. (I still have a very few sets of the cups available and Stevens has the videos)
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
If you can get a set of the cups from Pete, do so, by all means. These cups are as nice as anything P&L ever manufactured. The dimple is not quite as deep, but that does not affect anything adversely at all.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
This is a great routine and the only thing that stops me from doing it is the use of sponge balls.
I love the way it works with an audience though and can see why it gave "chop chop" the idea for the chop cup. You can do this routine with a regular set of combo cups with only minimal changes. I have been playing with using the Mikame chop cup for this routine. Lot's of fun and one last thing, Buy the Biro cups they are great. Mobius |
davidmagic Veteran user Lubbock, TX, USA 340 Posts |
MObius303?
How do you do the shell move with a combo set? I see that as the cornerstone of the routine. David |
Ignore me... Loyal user 230 Posts |
David, if you are familiar with a lot of moves with the cups and balls, you could probably answer how to modify the Paul routine for yourself.
Instead of asking, how can one do the shell move with a combo set, ask, what does the shell move accomplish? Can I find another technique to do the same with cork/crocheted balls? I can think of three core techniques, each surrounded by a cloud of variations, which will accomplish the ultimate result of the shell move. (By variations, I mean all those little differences of which fingers get used when, but there are probably more core ideas than the few I thought of.) The one thing that would be the major loss through using harder balls, to me, would be the spectator interaction, although the hugely open displays would be a close second.... |
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