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lane99
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If I started a 5 minute presentation by pulling a deck of cards from my left pocket (it's an invisible deck) and did the trick, and put it back in my left pocket...

Then I proceeded to do another couple of tricks...

Then, for the final trick, I pulled a deck of cards (not an invisible deck) out of my right pocket, and did a trick...

Do you think it would register with the audience that I must be using two different decks? Or (as I hope) no one would be likely to notice that I pulled the second deck out of a different pocket?
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3 Thoughts:

1: If you time it right, you can put it in the left pocket and take it out the right within 5 seconds of eachother and no one should be the wiser. it's all attitude and timing.

2: 2 decks in a single pocket is not that bad, if you are concerned then why not keep both decks in the same pocket and just mentally assign the outer one to a certain deck. Much better and they come out of the same pocket.


3: Rather than putting a deck of cards away and then taking them out later, try this: box up the cards and say you are going to perform your next trick(lets say a coin trick), then with the deck in your left hand realize you need coins for the effect and goto your pockets looking for coins, in the procedure dump the deck in left and come out with it in right, and the coins in the right or left hand.

Then as you come out with the coins, just put the deck you just switched on the table.... with this timing, instead of being out of view for 5 minutes, they will instead remember you boxing up the deck, pulling out coins and setting the deck down, and not ever leaving their sight.

Going into your pockets for coins or rope or whatever perfectly motivates the switch and there shouldnt be any recollection of the DECK going to your pocket.
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I would highly recommend two things.
1: put them both in the same pocket, or even put them in a case. But if they are in your pocket, put one horizontal, and the other paralelle. (I really doubt I spelled that right!) That is what I do in a close up enviroment with my normal deck for the Ambitous Card, do a deck switch, pretending to put the marker away, and put my Omni deck on the table, do sponge balls, then finish with the omni deck. The only problem with this is that the sponge balls and two decks take up too much room. So what Im trying to do is get a sports jacket. So I will have two pockets. One for sponge balls. And the other for two decks. So I can either do the switch when I put the marker away, or what I will do in a resturaunt, with a bit of misdirection, switch the deck with the omni.

2: If I were you, I would save the invisible deck for last. That effect is just too strong to be outdone by another card trick not as good. But that just my opinion! I actually do and impromptu, sleight of hand version of the invisible deck with exellent patter. I love it!
Anyways, hope this helped. -Cory.
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On 2005-12-10 04:22, Daegs wrote:
3 Thoughts:

1: If you time it right, you can put it in the left pocket and take it out the right within 5 seconds of eachother and no one should be the wiser. it's all attitude and timing.

2: 2 decks in a single pocket is not that bad, if you are concerned then why not keep both decks in the same pocket and just mentally assign the outer one to a certain deck. Much better and they come out of the same pocket.


3: Rather than putting a deck of cards away and then taking them out later, try this: box up the cards and say you are going to perform your next trick(lets say a coin trick), then with the deck in your left hand realize you need coins for the effect and goto your pockets looking for coins, in the procedure dump the deck in left and come out with it in right, and the coins in the right or left hand.

Then as you come out with the coins, just put the deck you just switched on the table.... with this timing, instead of being out of view for 5 minutes, they will instead remember you boxing up the deck, pulling out coins and setting the deck down, and not ever leaving their sight.

Going into your pockets for coins or rope or whatever perfectly motivates the switch and there shouldnt be any recollection of the DECK going to your pocket.








don't you think the audience would find it odd to see you go in your left pocket with a deck of cards and have it come out of your right? I would have the invisible deck in the right with the coins. Go in for the coins, dump the normal deck and pick up the invisible deck with the coins. That makes much more sense...
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No not likley of you have a good show and are talking.
they thought it was impossible until they met me.

theres no reality in magic

did the magician come before the assistant or the other way around.
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And the age old question arises yet again.
Are they smarter than we think?
Truth is....
I don't know.
I would try it your way. I would try it Deags' way, too. If fact, I probably wouldn't do it the same way twice.
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Oh no, no, said the little Fly, to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair
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It isn't an issue of intellegence.

If a genius doesn't know what to look for, or better yet doesn't even KNOW he should be looking for anything, then even he can't catch you.

The point is that this is done in between effects on an off-beat when you have a valid sub-text for going to your pockets(getting out the next effect).

I'm not saying do this in the middle of an effect, but between effects this will fly with an audience because there is no heat on it and you are simply pulling out coins and then throwing the deck down to the table, nothing more.

You aren't asking them to believe its the same deck, you aren't even paying it ANY attention or letting them either... If you act as if it is unimportant and you give the audience something important to think about instead, then it will fly.


But yes, try it different ways and find out what works for you.


I think the key is that it is not a case of "Are they smarter than we think?".

In this case as I said, it doesn't matter how smart they are because this should fly right by them so they don't even think that they NEED to think about it.

I'm all for overestimating spectators, but in this case there is no heat and it will work with the right timing and attitude.
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The nice thing about the invisible deck is people don't ever think it is a trick deck! so they arnt looking for a switch and evan if they do figure out it was a diffrent pocket I don't think anyone will ever care if like mentioned before you do it all with confidence.

but I am all for making everything look as solid, simple and magical as possible so one other thing to consider is using a shirt pocket and a breast jacket pocket. this way you have two pockets you are working with but they cant tell the diffrence.

knock em dead

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Ah, folks, yea, some clearly excellent suggestions and alternatives here. Thanksya. I think I'll try it as I initially described it. I kind of agree now that no one will particularly notice. And, actually, even if they DID, they might not think much of it, anyway. They just might think you've got two regular decks of cards (which, in the offchance anyone asked, I'd just say I NEED two decks of cards for certain tricks).


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On 2005-12-11 19:06, themagicman101 wrote:

2: If I were you, I would save the invisible deck for last. That effect is just too strong to be outdone by another card trick not as good. Anyways, hope this helped. -Cory.


I emphatically agree it's almost impossible to top the invisible deck (I present it by saying I turned over a card in the deck, and now I want the spectator to tap into their own psychic ability to try and guess the card.)

The trick I'm PLANNING to end the set with- though I haven't actually performed it for non-family audience yet- seems to me will have a pretty strong emotional impact on people, too. Here's the effect, in case anyone is interested:

You should do this trick for a "couple" (who are married, dating, etc). Tell them you want to do a test of their compatibility, and of whether they are each other's "soulmate"...

I'll riffle the deck, and have the woman randomly select a card...
I'll riffle the deck, and have the man randomly select a card...

The cards are revealed, to see the woman chose QH, and the man chose KH...a perfect love match!

Then I'll hand the deck to the man, and ask him to chose a card from the facedown pack any card he wishes....then give the deck to woman, and now it's her turn to chose any card she wishes from the facedown pack...

Now we can reveal the cards and find: the man chose the KD and the woman chose the QD...AGAIN, the perfect love match!

It seems pretty clear at this point that this couple are completey sympatico with each other. But, the final kicker, just to confirm that this connection between them was their fate/destiny all along...I know turn over the remaining cards in the deck to show that- except for the four cards which this couple just chosen - the face of every other card in the deck is blank.

...I gotta work on the patter to get the "love/soulmate/destiny/fate" line down correctly. When I do, I'm hoping this trick will be good for a few tears from the spectators.
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Wow, that is a neat idea! But that's not the Invisible deck is it? It sounds to me like you force the QH and the KH with a blank deck. Anyway, none the less a neat effect! Have fun with it!
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If your doing tricks inbetween, they won't notice. That is not the kind of detail spectators pay attention to. They watch ur moves, when they think the trick is being done. When it is over they don't register what ur doing with ur props. I've done that very thing many times, nobody ever raised a question or comment.
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I think the proper way is to have the deck in your right hand. Let the audience know you need some prop and pat both pockets, then reach in with both hands into their respective pockets at the same time, then gaze at the left hand as it start to come out a bit before the right hand starts to come out with the switched deck. Raise the prop up higher than the deck and look at it then drop the right hand naturally to your side.

As you start to talk intellegently about this prop, set the deck onto your table with hardly a glance and you're done.

Now you need to think about body turns, how your feet point, which foot do you put the weight on, etc. All this helps. The best ones think about all this stuff and actually rehearse. That's why they fool YOU, a magician, every single time.

And they take notes too.


.. of course, it could be that instead of rehearsing all this, they just sit around and do The Pass 120 times really fast.
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Well....there's one way to find out if the spectators even care if you used two decks for two different routines. After your performance, camp out in the nearest bathroom stall and listen to the conversations.
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Why not switch right out the same pocket? That way, you don't have to worry about whether or not the notice the anomaly of going to another pocket.
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Take a look at the way Gregory Wilson does it on Card Stunts. Very natural and no one suspects a thing. I was fooled a few times until a fellow magician pointed it out to me. Its all about being casual. Smile
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I think they wont notice, ofcourse only then they will notice, if you are worst person in the world in misdirection Smile
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I perform my Deck Support routine with a Blank Deck. I wear a leather case that clips on my belt on the left side. In it are two decks. When I replace the blank deck I then act as if I want to show them one more card trick and I remove the real deck from the same place. I don't CARE what they think because I don't KNOW what they think. I hear them gasp sometimes and sometimes I hear them say hey that's a different deck...isn't it? So, you never really know. Just make sure what you do with the decks/props is good enough magic.

You know Eugene Berger said something in the magiccafe when he was a guest. I live by it. It goes like this:

<berger quote>
To spend too much time trying to figure out how people are reacting to my "song," I think I am better off just to continue singing it.
</berger qoute>

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