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So can this induction actually hypnotize people that are harder to hypnotize? I can't hypnotize myself...Can't concentrate enough I guess. Would I be able to put myself into a state of hypnosis using this technique?

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I think the bigger question to answer is why you think you can't be hypnotized? Make out a list and we will help you solve these questions.
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I just don't think I can concentrate long enough (ADD lol) I don't think I really have ADD but I can't seem to be able to do self hyponosis on myself.
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With the EKG you will not be able to hypnotize yourself. It is a theatrical induction, that has failed on me numerous times. I know a lot of hypnotists like Geoff, but after buying his course and the EKG thing, I've concluded that his EKG induction is not that great. I do admit that there are parts of my induction now that uses some ideas from the EKG, like the fractionation.

I myself cannot be hypnotized by another. I don't know why. I think it might be because I am scared.
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My experience with the EKG induction is quite different...I used to do a very nice relaxation induction. My voice has "that quality" (Lee Earle once referred to me as velvet-voiced) so my relaxation inductions went well.

I have quit using my own induction and use the EKG...it is fast, far more theatrical than my relaxation induction and my results with it have been spectacular. I don't know why the EKG didn't work for you, but I advise you look at it a bit deeper. What induction has worked for you and what is different? In my opinion (many, many years of stage but I just switched from relaxation to EKG recently) it is the best stage induction out there.

If you don't have a good pre-talk, or do any work before you get them up (both suggestion work and "social"...if they don't like you it is a problem) any induction can "fail"...study it a bit more and look at other factors that preceded the times you had difficulty with the induction. Would another induction have worked better in that same situation? How much experience do you have in stage? If you aren't confident they will smell fear and that doesn't help either.

The EKG might be a bit difficult for self-hypnosis, as you would need to be guided...but don't worry.

Go onto google and search for Dave Ellman induction...it is simple enough so you only need a little concentration and with repeated use should train your mind to trance deeply.
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Mike,

Keep in mind that the EKG is a combination of techniques used by Milton Erickson, Dave Elman, Geoff, and Gerald Kein (who was personally trained by Dave Elman). As Mota mentioned, it is most heavily Elman influenced.

This is not a 16 page progressive relaxation induction which I think probably make it a challenge even for people who don't have ADD Smile.

If it's self-hypnosis you're looking for you might consider going to a trained hypnotist that uses an Elman-like induction and can program you to drop into self-hypnosis very easily. We did this during the training I had it works beautifully. I can't do it yet, but there were others in my class that could set a time and actually come out of hypnosis at that time using their internal clock. It's amazing to watch.

Scott
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The EKG is not a scripted induction. Rather, it is a "tool belt" per se that allows you to work within the frame of a outlined induction. The EKG helps you recognize what each participant needs in order to go into trance and allows you to reach into your tool box and help them out. While the general outline of the induction is always there, you may have to spend more time in certain areas to help deepen participants or vice versa, skip some sections altogether if you feel so inclined.

This is a BIG advantage over memorized scripts as it gives you the flexiblilty and skills to help individuals go into trance rather than regurgitating a bunch of lines. The philosophy is that a hypnotist should be skilled enough to differentiate the induction if needs be, while still doing a fast, entertaining, and theatrical induction that audiences can follow.

I use it in each one of my shows.
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I completely reccomend the EKG Induction.
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Scripts are for kids. Open inductions are great. It has been a while since I read EKG but I believe it's open so it should work just fine. My mentor learned from Kein 13 years ago so I know Erikson, Kein and Elman more than anything now. Seems like many people just re hash them and call it their own. Nothing wrong with that and I do prefer it over just memorizing some one's script and reciting it. Fast progressive relaxation inductions. That's what I call them.

I don't understand how anyone could be a hypnotist but yet not be able to do self hypnosis? I have become a hypno junkie and love being there.
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(Ummm, it is ALL self hypnosis guys)
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On 2010-02-13 11:13, Dannydoyle wrote:
(Ummm, it is ALL self hypnosis guys)


I am genuinly interested. What makes you think that Danny?

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Wow really?

Ok, NOBODY can be hypnotised against their will Anthony. I hope we do not dispute this. Therefore people hypnotise themself. It is basic. You take the directions follow them and are guided by the hypnotist, but ultimately the SUBJECT is the one who does all the work.
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If you say you can't do self hypnosis you are right. Tah Dah! End of the big secret for some?
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On 2010-02-13 13:43, Mindpro wrote:
Hypnosis 101


I thought it was also, but apparently not. I am shocked at having to explain this stuff. Heck I mention it at the OPENING of my show 7 nights a week!

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On 2010-02-13 14:37, Rotten wrote:
If you say you can't do self hypnosis you are right. Tah Dah! End of the big secret for some?


Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, your right. Exactly sir.
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On 2010-02-13 13:14, Dannydoyle wrote:
Wow really?

Ok, NOBODY can be hypnotised against their will Anthony. I hope we do not dispute this. Therefore people hypnotise themself.


This still seems like an illogical leap to me. Just because you get their permission it does not follow that 'they' do it. I just cannot tie up your first and last sentance above.

If they do, what is it they do? What role does your subject play in the process apart from giving their consent?

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All hypnosis is self hypnosis and you can't make anybody do anything against their will are both claims that make a stage hypnotists life easier. Neither are true.
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Ok Anthony and MP lets get this done real quick.

Can you hypnotise me agaisnt my will? Can you make me do things against my will? If so I propose a bet. About 10 grand will do. It is crap and you both should know it.

Also Anthony, the hypnotist guides you and gives you directions but if I guide you and give you directions to my house, YOU STILL HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE THERE! The mere act of guidence does not in any way get you closer to my house now does it? OF COURSE NOT. This is the roll the subject plays. Again hypnosis 101. The subject does it, therefore it s SELF hypnosis.

Still having trouble trying to tie up the concept? It is basic Anthony. I can't believe I have to discuss VERY basic level hypnosis with a teacher.

I guess some of the things you sell may depend on this not being the truth but sorry it is the way life works.
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I said anybody not you specifically. And religeon has been hypnotising people by shaping their will.

As for stage. I have a friend who has to keep away from stage shows because he can't resist getting up. he doesn't want to he can't help it. Its got to the point now where he will not got to a show because knows he will end up on stage.

Doing shows for years I have come across a number of people like him. Plus there are ways to get people in trance to do things they wouldn't normally do. Again there are also degrees of susceptibility with individuals.
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Yea now we back off on the claim that someone calls BS on it.

Also I said nobody can be made to do something AGAINST THEIR WILL, not that they wouldn't normally do. PLEASE tell me you see the difference here MP.

You havn't DONE shows for years. In one breath you tell us all the experience you have, and the next you tell us that you stopped. Which is it anyhow? Seems to me for years here you have been saying you don't do shows any more. I am just curious as to if you do or not, or how many you actually did. (I am not looking for a name place or anything, just an actual gague of what it is you did. I don't need spacifics I am just confused as to what you are saying is all.)

People are compeled to do all sorts of things. SOME are compeled to come to the stage to volunteer. So what? Is this YOU making them do things against their will?
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