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Count Zapik Loyal user UK 205 Posts |
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On 2005-12-14 07:29, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Hi Jonathan, Yes, I agree. However, there are muggles out there who say the first thing that comes into their heads when they see a magician.... and invariably they may be guessing & completely wrong, but that doesn't stop the seed of doubt being sown in every one elses mind too. It kinda slows down & delays your ability to deliver a sense of wonder. I've had folks request I cut there most loved one in half too! Just cos they wanted to say something and be part of the act. But equally... I had a woman tell me about TT's in the middle of a card routine! I've had a man ask me if I had a magnetic cup whilst I was doing a rope routine! Perhaps folks just latch onto available information, and these days they get tons of it. Don't you agree? Do you think we distribute our knowledge too widely? Maybe it doesn't matter.... it's only light entertainment. ....& there's always an 'out'.
I feel as if I have been whisked here from another life....it may even have been my own!
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ithomson Veteran user 330 Posts |
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On 2005-12-13 14:33, Rob Elliott wrote: Or even in the Secret Sessions. Ian |
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info2victor Veteran user 337 Posts |
If the audience wants to guess what kind of gimmick you are using (no matter you are really using it or not), you can't stop them anyway, and believe me, they can even imagine gimmicks that you have never imagine yourself.
The thing is when they are you "are you using XXX that I saw somewhere", no matter how you answer you are providing some sort of information. Of course you would say no, but this still 1)kind of assure there exists one 2)you are simply not using THAT gimmick. I agree with Jonathan and Count that if you have a good routine, they won't suspect a thing. Also, if the audience wants to enjoy magic, they'd just accept it is a magic, not technology. As for those who just want to watch you perform and try to impress their friends by saying "I know, he's just using XXX", so be it. It is their loss. From the above logic I'm not so worried about talking about gimmicks alone since a gimmick doesn't give away the whole trick. Except those gimmicks that themselves are the routine (if you know what I mean). Anyway, I'll watch my words. But I suspect if we are so strict on this what can be discussed in this forum. Frankly the magic Café is sooooo informative, one just can't read all the forums... I just come to this "Show me the money". Just my thoughts, no offence.
It only takes a minute to learn how it is done, but takes a lifetime to learn how to do it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
The one's who guess
Would probably be happy to believe That your tattoos are really tracks For trained fleas Who move stuff around And get their cues Via microchips and LEDs All controlled by your cell phone And a foot switch in your shoe They need to believe they are clever So tell them about your gaffed coins Then give them a regular coin And ask them to admire the craftsmanship
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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jezza Elite user 469 Posts |
Back on the topic of exposure of gimmicks
check the pics on this site of coin bites ,in bottles etc http://www.magicworld.co.uk |
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Eric Falconer Veteran user Houston 378 Posts |
To say: "They're gonna suspect it anyway"
is no excuse for exposing in the public sections. That's what the secret sessions are for. Although I do agree with Michael Rubenstein... there is more exposure in a magic shop that there is here. As I stated earlier... most of the exposure here is too cryptic to be understood by the common muggle. But that is no excuse for doing it. Unfortunately the muggles are getting smarter. They're more aware of the gaffs and technology available. This is mainly due to more easier access to magic websites. That is the key. Easier access. This is the point of the secret sessions forum. To LIMIT the access not make it easier. When we post exposing comments in the open forum we make it easier to get. I agree with Bill. We need to be more careful what we post in the open forums. Merry Christmas!!
Eric Falconer
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otter606 New user Scotland 89 Posts |
As a recent newcomer to magic I would say that magic information is rife everywhere -
for a modest outlay of £20 - about the cost of a DVD in the UK - one can arm oneself with Bobos and a cardtrick book or two from any major bookstore. Then you justtype "Free magic trick" into google and then you're away! The main reason I got into magic was by being amazed by a magician at my son's birthday party and wanting to find out how he could possibly have done some of his effects. It was certainly surprisingly easy to find out quite a lot before laying out any money, but I haven't found any "secret" at this site at all. I think that these forums would prove pretty chewy material for someone who was totally ignorant, I've only enjoyed these forums once I had learned quite a bit already. But I still haven't worked out where the rabbit came from... |
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Eric Falconer Veteran user Houston 378 Posts |
It comes from the hat!!!
Eric Falconer
Houston TX |
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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On 2005-12-14 07:29, Jonathan Townsend wrote: But some in the audience are most likely going to suspect the prop/coin/cup/cards anyway - unless they provide it to you (if you use half dollars or dollar coins, good luck!). You can hand a coin out for examination, and they can't find the answer, but that doesn't mean they don't suspect it - they feel that they just weren't able to 'find the secret'.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2005-12-17 17:21, Chessmann wrote: It's not about the props. When it beocmes about the props you are on very thin ice. With all due respect, I believe it's a feeling thing. If they want to know how you did it, you lost it. If they enjoy what you did, and want to bring their friends over to enjoy it too, you've won.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
Jonathan, with some people it certainly is about the props, and for them, it will always be about the props.
As to lost/won, there will always be some people who want to know how you did it, and others who will enjoy most anything we do. A good performer can minimize that, but with some people it will always be there.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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info2victor Veteran user 337 Posts |
Hm... like I said in my previous post, there are always people enjoying figuring out how you did it instead of enjoying the magic. Their purpose is completely different.
Even if you use their coins they'll still say you just have some kind of invisible gimmicks that manipulate the borrowed coins. My opinion is only do the magic to those who deserve to watch it. I understand sometimes it's work and you have to do it no matter who is watching. Then just hope that there is at least one enjoying, and just perform to him/her =)
It only takes a minute to learn how it is done, but takes a lifetime to learn how to do it.
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llsouder Regular user 114 Posts |
Shouldn't the moderators be moving exposures to the secrets sessions, or deleteing the posts or editing them? That way we know if we step over the line!
Or is it completely up to us as a community and I am suppose to push that little report button when I feel the content is too exposing? I have also noticed this recent trend in other parts of the board as well. |
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wunceaponatime Loyal user 280 Posts |
The moderators and grammar hosts may be overwhelmed with the amount of posting that goes on so they probably don't get to read every post. It's up to us to alert them to flagrant examples of exposure. If you think there is flagrant exposure going on, push that little report button with the ! next to it.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2005-12-18 11:34, info2victor wrote: There are always people looking for oranges when offered apples. Forget about them when you perform. You are there to entertain, not to offer others a chance to show off how clever they are. Of course there are ways to manage the ones you can spot. Anyway, the gaff stuff is pretty safe here, at least by name and casual reference. Discussing how to make them and exactly what they do... maybe not so good an idea.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
It doesn't matter - we don't even need a Secret Sessions site. If people figure out to come here, and are interested enough to slog thru the enormous amount of material that gets posted daily, and after all that, figure out how a couple of tricks work, then they are probably interested enough to become "brothers"! Yes, I think anyone who can figure out what we are talking about on these threads, let alone find them in the first place, likely WANTS to DO magic! All in all, no big deal...
Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Funny thing about the secret session area , is that most guys try to accumulate posts just to have access to it. Later after being bonafide secret sessioners, we hardly go there.
We seem to have two kinds of "helpers" here 1) The type who is realy passionate about helping and those who really took the phrase "Magicians helping magicians" to heart. 2) The type who likes to openly and publicly help. Perhaps with a genuine intent to help , but with a little longing for attention. The ...."Hey, I'm so learned/ fantastic/Mr. congeniality etc....." variety. This is a great thread because most members have only genuine intent to help but is somehow, missing something. Im sure the bigger bulk of helpers are th one's from number one (1). Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2005-12-17 23:58, Chessmann wrote: That's a fair concern. Can you enlist them into the magical events? One way to address that is to single out those who focus on the props and do something REALLY magical looking using a coin THEY provide. And of course give them back their coin.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
That's a fair concern. Can you enlist them into the magical events?
I think Del Ray has already done that! |
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Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
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On 2005-12-23 10:45, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Del Ray used to do this as well. I've seen him take a borrowed coin and use it in an effect.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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