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I thought the "crowdpuller" part of the DVD was the weakest part.
lots of good stuff but the pulling I thought could have been done more creatively.

again, I'm not a busker, so what do I know.

It is a good DVD set though. I bought it becuase it had a handling for the Slydini silks and that paid off for me.

Oops. Back on track...

The only real downside to the cellini's is that the "sort of" take a baseball, they can tip back too easily if you bump them with your arm or something, and they wobble.

the 3 on top issue is not one for me.
I love the way they look. Great shape.
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I liked the Crowdpuller part because it was the weakest part.

Let me explain:
It showed that you didn't need any big effects, trickery, or pocket loads of cards, TT's, coins, whatever,... to build the crowd. He did it simply by chatting with passers by, until he had the one kid. Then he built it from there with promises of good things to come. It was a nice contrast to the traditional openers we're used to seeing.

I wish he had spent more time with the silk performance. We only really got to see edited bits of it. Even the boring parts are helpful to see for timing purposes. I'm still looking for the big "ta daa" finish. I haven't seen much but "middles" with no end.

Posted: Dec 14, 2005 2:02pm
But getting back to cups, I liked his one cup work. It looked a bit risky though especially considering he missed the load himself during the explanation.

I thought he stretched it too long though with the Ambitious Card stuff between cup phases. Sort of diminished the impact of the cups. And the build to the final reveal was a bit lackluster. But that's just my opinion.
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When you say they wobble Frank do you mean they don't stack "neatly"?

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The tapered nature of the Cellini cups means there's no side wall contact to support the cup above it. All cups of this design will wobble.
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Yes, dave is correct about the cups.

actually dave is also right about seeing the boring parts, etc. it's best if you see the whole thing. people really wanting to learn don't need to see the highlight reel. the highlights are the easy part. what comes between the highlights (and the tricks) is what makes it real entertainment (or for a busker, keeps the crowd and builds the potential hat).
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Taken on what David said I checked it out and they do wobble a little but this does not affect the hander-ling at all in fact I did not notice until Dave mentioned it.
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Cellini even takes advantage of the wobble in his cup stack penetration move. As long as they don't bind up, you really don't need perfect cups, especially on the street. A tight set might lock up on you the first time you drop a cup.
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I just sold mhy Cellini cups to benefit Dean Dill. They are built like tanks, and would take a street beating for sure. I'm sue they are as good as you need, and like any prop you just have to learn their plus and minus points and take advantage of them.

Remember, the bigger the load the harder it is to load/hide/palm. It is the CHANGE that kills.
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Just thought I'd clarify what I meant about the Cellini cups. After about six years of using them full-time, I found that the rolled lip on one of the cups flattened out from banging in down on the table, which made the mouth of the cup smaller and it wouldn't take a baseball anymore. I also found that the dip on the base of the cup became too deep on one of the cups after bashing it over the years, and that made the elevator move tougher and meant I had to have the cups in a certain order. That said I loved using the cups and they are still a prized possession of mine. I also like the fact that my Animal cups don't wobble, they stick. it means I can have them pre-set and don't have to worry about the balls spilling out.
Wrong place I know but with regards to the crowdpuller section of the DVD, it is very shouty, but that was on the main pitch in Covent Garden, first show of the day, it is a BIG space and I don't/wont use an amp. Smaller pitches mean a lot less shouting, but fair point. Thanks for all the comments, positive and negative, about the DVD I'd be more than happy to discuss any part of it with anyone. Pete Wardell
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Hi Pete! Glad to see you here. Don't get me wrong, I loved the video. My favorite is the second disc with your Cups and Balls and trade show work. The interview with the booth owner was great!
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Thanks Pete for letting us know - six years of bashing is fairly robust!

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Pete are you a Busker?
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Mario, check out Pete's new video "CrowdPuller"

If what I see is true, he is indeed a busker, working for hats at Covent Garden as well as a paid performer at trade show events.
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OH Dave
Is my Joke that bad, I know he is. LOL
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I had been using my Gali-Gali cups but Gary just sent me a set of his Animals. The Gali-Gali's are now on the shelf. These are incredible cups.
Has anyone tried using the baseballs that have the rubber coating like they use in T-ball? I found 2 sets at Toys 'R Us that work great, don't stick, plus they're also in Red,White & Blue.
Anxiously waiting my copy of Crowdpuller.........
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I agree with Bill. (That makes me feel smart just saying it.) Different cups for different occasions. I for one prefer to only do the cups under my conditions. I will be perfoming on the Street New Year's eve and am still deciding if I'll do them or not. I've been selling off a few sets of cups that rarely, (or never) got used. I'm down to 3. Silver engraved Sherwoods, Riser Standard cups, and Johnson's. The only ones that get used are the Sherwoods and my Risers. The Sherwood's are the best feeling cup I've ever handled. I intend to one day get a set of copper ones to round out my set.
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