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tenofclubs
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Hello All,

I picked up Twisted Sisters effect from Hank Lees in Boston. I really like the effect but I would like to get rid of the "packet-ness" of the effect. But I would also like to pack it light so I can do it somewhat impromptu. So I know I will need at least 2 card boxes, one red and one blue. What I wondering is if anyone has any good easy handlings to make it appear that the 2 packets of 4 cards came out of full decks.

Peace,

Chris
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Have the four cards on top.
Have the 4 queens in middle of deck.
Fan through cards face up, out jog the queens, and do vernon switch tabling cards facedown.
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See....I wouldn't do this as coming from a deck......If you look at the context of the routine, the regular "queens" don't vanish, or change to Jokers. The queens they mentally predicted, are the only ones you have. They are predicted and change places. It wouldn't have worked if they had thought of other queens, because the rest of the cards are jokers. If you take out the 4 queens from the decks, and then they turn into Jokers, that changes the effect for me.....They never get to see the faces, until the climax. The mystery created is stronger. When I do this effect, I keep them in a card wallet, NOT the plastic wallet they come with, but a nice leather wallet. I patter along the lines this being an experiment, and though they can't see the faces, they must use their minds eye, and see ONE queen that they would like to use in thought. Then I proceed with the other selection, etc.....To me, this is one of the few packet tricks, if it STAYS in a packet....Just my thoughts.

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I have to agree with Jonathan on this. This packet trick is self-contained and was born to be that way. If you're uncomfortable with the "packet-ness" (great word, by the way!) of the trick, try just tweaking the patter so that you're giving reason for the cards to be kept aside in their own packets. Something as simple as, "I made a simple prediction eariler, using just a few cards..."

Hope that helps.
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Yeah, I'm wholeheartedly with Jonathan and Reis on this one! (And I love the 'packetness' word too Smile ) In fact, on other posts I've shared my concern over 'packetness' (that should have been the title of the thread by the way!) I explained how I integrated certain packet tricks into a 'special' deck of cards. What I mean is that when they are ribbon-spread face up, they all appear to be 55 cards (including the jokers and the 'poker' card) What is actually contained therein are several packet tricks: Skinner's Monte; Daryl's Double Crossed; John Allen's Double Back and a few others.

Now - back to Twisted Sisters. I purposely did not include this into a deck (or two decks) effect for the very reason outlined by Jonathan above. It is clearly intended to be a stand-alone effect. I agree, it could be enhanced by removing the cards from a quality leather wallet! In my view, if you are taking them from the deck - as in my example of face-ups above - you have to be seen to be removing 'four queens'! Surely nothing else will do? With the packet tricks I remove from a deck, say, Skinner's Monte, you are actually seen to be removing the ace, two and three! (Following a timely deck switch from one that the specs have been using, this is quite cute!)

Just for info by the way - I have slightly altered my Twisted Sisters. It doesn't change the effect, but it does highlight the separate decks of cards issue. I had some Tally-Ho gaffs made up by Neil Lester of CardsbyMartin. So in my leather wallet, there a four blue-backed Bicycles and four red-backed Tally-Ho's. (Obviously, I have another similar set!) Just for good measure, I had some jacks and kings made up for a Twisted Brothers variation.)

Roger
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Tenofclubs
Have to agree with the others on this one. But you go the route you want see what happens. I love this effect and since you have about 9 posts. I welcome you to the Café...
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Ten of Clubs,
I do agree with all the posts above.
I'd suggest some of Daryl's patter in fooler's doolers number 3.
For example, he talks about starting small and when use to perform, he use to use just 4 cards. You could say 8. I also feel TS could also use some of the patter
from his CROSSED Thought where he patters about some magicians do sleight of hand, others magic of the mind, but he will attempt to both at the same time AND simultaneously. Why do I say this? I feel TS is a combination of both mentalism and magic. I LOVE THIS EFFECT.
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That's for the great comments. You all are STARTING to bring me around. But I will make one last attempt. I don't do Twisted Sisters with the 3 Jokers in each packet. I did it the first few times but then I switched to indiffrent spot cards. That way it seems more random. Or to you all think that actually weakens the trick. I have some red and blue backed blank faced cards that I considered doing it with but have never tried. Anyway, if I have the indiffrent cards it would make sense that I pulled them from a red and blue packet. And instead of doing what I say or imply at the beginning (taking 4 queens in each packet) It ends up looking like I only took one queen from each packet, that seems to fit the trick and patter right?
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If you prefer not to use jokers, I suppose it's okay to use anything. I sometimes use blanks. I am considering having three different kings as the other three. At least that way, the law of averages says that on a few ocassions, the final revalation will show the three kings of the suits not chosen!
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Tenofclubs, I like the way you think, but I'm wondering if you aren't creating more work for yourself than is really needed and therefore hurting the effect a bit. Do you worry about the dead air time you get while you're digging through two separate decks just to set the effect up? Or have you worked out the patter enough for that?
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Well, I did this very thing using the exchange to get in to the routine. The exchange deck in my opinion has it's place, and to s****h cards for other cards is it. Not much else use in the exchange but for this trick, you definitely could do it. Just my opinion/ suggestion

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Yeah...I think the switch makes more work than necessary. The beauty of Twisted Sisters is to me, it's stark, naked plot! It is very straight forward, and always elicits a BANG response. It is not a difficult line to follow. Vernon says a trick should be able to be recalle in one sentence by the audience.

We thought of 2 queens in two packets and they switched places....and they were the ONLY queens he had! We were only thinking of them!

That's 2, but that ain't bad. It's not convoluted...just good strong magic. I hate packet tricks, but this one I do. 'Nuff said....

All the best,
Jonathan
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My goodness,
John Bannon's Twisted Sisters is deceptive, surprising, simple and fun. Maybe we don't need to find ways to make it more complicated!
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I agree that it should not be a concern that this is a "packet." You don't say that you have four queens from ecah deck. You ask the spectator to IMAGINE the two queens and those two queens are the ONLY ones to "materialize."
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True.... materialize from Jokers. Perhaps using 3 blank cards would work too!
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Commercial packet tricks that I prefer to carry usually don't use playing cards. "Color Monte" because they're not and "Print Shop" because they start out blank. Jeff Pierces "Ani-Matrix" and Paces "The Web" are two I'd have no problem taking from my wallet either.
However,I do have TS on order because It's so strong.

Nice idea using blank faces.

This may be a dumb question but can you show four queens from two different decks and switch in blank faces easily?
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Get "simple minded" by greg arce for nice presentational ideas on twisted sisters! he is also a member of the Café. mark
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I often force any queen from a diffrerent deck, and then say that that will be there card. Then do twisted sisters.
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This may be a dumb question but can you show four queens from two different decks and switch in blank faces easily?

It can be done, but the effect would be like the queens vanished.
You could do the vernon transfer from the face up deck.
Then again, something could flash so I'd recomend having the gaff be the bottom card of packet being switched and do diffent type of count instead of the ones in orginal instructions.
IMHO, why make it more difficult than it needs to be, right?
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OK, let's go through the options here...


Removing Four Cards from a normal red-backed deck and a blue-backed deck.
I think we've concluded together that this is illogical because this is usually predicted as a prediction effect rather than a transformation effect.

Removing the Queens and 3 Spot Cards from a red-backed deck and a blue-backed deck.
I think this is a good way of doing it if you're doing a few tricks with a full deck. It would be illogical to do a few card tricks with a full deck and then pull out a 8 cards from your pocket. Perhaps your idea could be exploited after performing a "Do as I do" effect with a red-backed deck and a blue-backed deck. However, you would need to find a way of bringing the gaffed queens into the deck (palming perhaps.)

Removing the Queens from a leather wallet.
For Restaurant/Strolling/Impromptu work this is the favoured option. However, some people have said they use a nice leather wallet rather than the cheap plastic wallet it comes with. I actually go the other way and take the cards from pay envelopes because they are in the least bit fancy and don't arouse suspicion at all. Since Twisted Sisters uses a gimmick, I like to make sure there is minimum suspiscion on the cards and I think an envelope helps this cause more than a fancy leather wallet would. However, pulling out the "Prediction Cards" from your normal wallet where you keep your credit cards etc makes it look really impromtu.

docelk - I like your idea there, you can then give the impression that the spectator is getting a free-choice of any card rather than just the Queens, therefore making the the prediction even more impressive.

I hope this helps.

Tom Rav
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