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DaiBato
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Since plagiarism is so rampant in magic, wouldn't it be better to just avoid other magicians entirely?

I am just putting this question out there for discussion; I am not saying that I actually condone this choice, but I am very curious what others think. (It is certainly one way of handling the question of one getting's one ideas stolen from other magicians.)

Of course, if one is performing on a bill with other magicians, it is very difficult to implement, but still possible to avoid socializing.
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How would avoiding magicians socially reduce plagiarism?
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I visit NYC every now and then to see a few magicians at the Pizza place. Aside from one or two incidents of copying and publishing, these folks have been very respectful of other people's ideas and personal/unpublished material. As it happens I need LOTS of feedback as I develop works and also as I get things ready to publish or express in words. Very different from developing ideas which is more based upon listening to audiences.

IMHO, no reason to avoid those people, and others who have the self respect to help YOU if you ask and otherwise respect your secrets.

If you want to make a difference, DO SOCIALIZE and encourage your peers to do their own magic, develop their own magic, and to avoid those known to copy and plagiarize or do copied or plagiarized material.
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Hanging out with other magicians has its advantages and drawbacks.
But I would not give up socializing with other magicians. I think it is the best thing you can do if you are serious about performing.
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I agree with nucinud and Jonathan. Most of my socialization with other magicians has led to some pretty intense and productive brainstorming sessions. I haven't run into many blatant "borrowers" but when I do I simply avoid them the next time around.
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On 2005-12-13 16:37, DaiBato wrote:
Since plagiarism is so rampant in magic, wouldn't it be better to just avoid other magicians entirely?


Nah. Smile
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Be selective about those you "hang" with.

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Yah Smile
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Wouldn't it be nice to socialize with other magicians and not feel compelled to only talk magic?

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It IS nice, Frank. Smile
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Great Laurie,
I see you actually know how to socialize. Smile Anytime you are visiting the lower 48 let me know. Smile

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O.k, Frank. Smile
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I must admit that I cannot answer this question..

I almost never socialize with other magicians, as I live in a small town in Norway with no other magicians that I know about. Boring, and sad..

Lucky You, I say...
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On 2005-12-23 21:12, Samuel wrote:
Lucky You


I agree. Smile
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On 2005-12-15 20:49, Magiguy wrote:
I agree with nucinud and Jonathan. Most of my socialization with other magicians has led to some pretty intense and productive brainstorming sessions. I haven't run into many blatant "borrowers" but when I do I simply avoid them the next time around.



I also agree with nucinud and Jonathan. I enjoy socialization with Magicians and when I was in New York City I hung out with many great magicians I called FRIENDS, now residing in Southwest Florida I found two magicians in town and one is a Master Magician. As for Master Magician I don’t mean David Copperfield or Siegfried & Roy,
I met them and they are great guys. To me a Magician that take the craft of Magic and develops it for other magicians to use is a Master Magician, Like Michael Ammar, David Roth, Paul Harris and my good friend Meir Yedid just to name a few.

But in my many years in magic “wow I’m saying that like if I’m old”
I came across some Bad magicians not with magic just their character, and both are sitting in jail. I hope they are the last of Bad magician in my life time…


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Every single group of people I've ever had anything to do with likes to hang out with each other. Designers, architects, doctors, insurance agents, college professors, actors and directors, computer programmers, musicians, and lots of others. Insurance agents in particular are interesting: it's a highly competitive field, and yet these people get together to exchange ideas all the time, as well as to just have a good time. I've had some good times in a hotel function room full of insurance agents, and nobody tried to sell me anything.

If I were concerned that somebody at a social gathering would "steal" a move or something from me, I just wouldn't show it to them.
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Birds of a feather... Smile
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Hard to know your magic market without spending at least some time with other magicians. I hardly see any magicians any more. Too much going on and I don't have the time these days. That's why I have resorted to forums. It's like socialising without haveing to leave my house.
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If you are hanging with a bunch of rip off artists, change your friends.

I was part of a group that had one such guy. The rest were good people. So I just avoided that guy. Eventually when it became apparent to enough people,and everyone stayed away from him, he stopped coming to the meetings since he wasn't getting his needs met. And since he never gave anything, but only took, that was fine with the rest.
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