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teejay
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On 2005-12-21 00:03, MindPhantom wrote:
Most magic shops are full of cocky magicians.


Magician with hand in pocket feel cocky all day
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Mental_Mike
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I feel cocky when I PW....lol

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I've tried to go about pickpocketing, but as my main venue is close-up at school there are a few reasons why I can't carry it out. One, if someone sees you with your hand in their pocket, assumptions shall be made and I'll forever be labeled. Two, the same goes for teachers, if you attempt to pickpocket there, you can be in the administrative office in a New York minute. I do, however, perform watch steals and people get a kick out of that. By the way, I appreciate your advice, Paleomagi, and I shall put it to use.

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mackmania
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I fooled an excellent local magician recently with a billet peek. And I agree that some of the effects utilizing Osterlind's BCS are great foolers, too.



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I used to do tarot readings a couple of nights a week in the club bar of a timeshare resort. They had different entertainment on every night of the week, mostly music. One such entertainer was "Miffy". Miffy could do everything - sing, do jokes, magic - to a just slightly below average degree! I remember stifling laughter the first time I saw him do magic. He had done about 40 minutes or so of old-time songs (very poorly) wearing a waistcoat (vest to our US friends) over his shirt. Then he announced I´m about to dazzle you all with some feats of prestidigitation...once I get my jacket on.¨". He left the stage, went to the "dressing room" then returned with jacket in order to do burnt banknote to wallet. Milling around afterward he would tell people how he´s done it for years and nobody has ever caught him cheating...even people who have videoed it. In reality I lost count of the number of people sitting near me, week in week out, who would whisper the method to the others at their table.

I never let him know I was a magician - having seen what he was like with holidaymakers who mentioned they were into magic I thought it was a bad idea as I´d get him telling me how knowledgable he is every week. I remember one poor guy happened to mention being into magic and he went right over to him to find out what kind..."just close up?" he enquired with a slight sneer...and continued to really bully the guy into feeling inferior.

The strange thing was that this awful man was quite popular with a certain age group who made a point of catching his show every year.
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I was just joking chichi711.

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Memory-Jah
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On the pick a card-forum is a similiar thread where it has been asked what non gimmick impromptu stuff fools magicians... I still going with the gilbreath principle. and I agree with clock: richard osterlinds bcs is absolutely increadibly. I love it and it kills magicians as well a non-magicians.

Jah
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On 2005-12-22 07:40, Memory-Jah wrote:
richard osterlinds bcs is absolutely increadibly. I love it and it kills magicians as well a non-magicians.

Jah


Which then gives you plenty of time to practice whilst serving your sentence. Unless you have a method for not getting caught?
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I have been around magicians most of my life and have nothing but respect for everyone from beginners to seasoned pros. You can certainly learn a TON of good information from most of them.

On the other hand, doing a show for magicians or with magicians in the audience, is about as far removed from real world performing as is possible. How can it be otherwise? These are people who have a bundle of knowledge of magic principles and who have seen magic repeatedly. Even if you do something new to them, they will still probably have many ideas as to how you might have done it. They probably also will have heard a fair amount of the humor you are using and will also be comparing you to all the people they watch at home on videos and TV. It is fine to do shows for magicians, but just remember this is a different audience than your typical paying show.

The worse offender, I have found, is the person with a "smithering" of knowledge! Someone who has a magician friend who has taught them 1or 2 things or has read ONE book on magic. These are usually the people who think they know it all. But these are also the easiest to deal with as they have a limited knowledge and you can intentionally pull them down a path that is completely false and then hit them with something they can't begin to explain!

Richard
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Yes Richard,I have a guest at one of my restaurant venues who falls into the "smithering of knowledge"category(who pretends he know's it all;and this is a grown man!).So I decided to fry him with your BCS (cards under table).I asked him to demonstrate a simple cut..so the showoff proceeds to attempt a shakey 'charlier pass' and the cards nearly went flying before I reigned him back in.After all was said and done,I don't think the guy got a good nights sleep.It was a beautiful thing! Smile Best.

Rich
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I think the BCS would be a really good thing on magicians....but has any magician ever asked "Why can't just I shuffle it???"

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Hi Mike:I think presenting BCS effects as 'mind tests'(where instructions have to be followed for a successful conclusion),and not as card tricks reduces that likelyhood somewhat.However,I would appreciate some other opinions also.Best.

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On 2005-12-22 09:42, salsa_dancer wrote:
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On 2005-12-22 07:40, Memory-Jah wrote:
richard osterlinds bcs is absolutely increadibly. I love it and it kills magicians as well a non-magicians.

Jah

Which then gives you plenty of time to practice whilst serving your sentence. Unless you have a method for not getting caught?

Can you explain me what do you mean by that? maybe it is my english but I didn't understand the sentence, not the words. just what you mean... is it like a saying or what?
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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On 2005-12-22 16:01, Memory-Jah wrote:
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On 2005-12-22 09:42, salsa_dancer wrote:
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On 2005-12-22 07:40, Memory-Jah wrote:
richard osterlinds bcs is absolutely increadibly. I love it and it kills magicians as well a non-magicians.

Jah

Which then gives you plenty of time to practice whilst serving your sentence. Unless you have a method for not getting caught?

Can you explain me what do you mean by that? maybe it is my english but I didn't understand the sentence, not the words. just what you mean... is it like a saying or what?

I think it was meant to be a cute post. You said it KILLS magicians and non-magicians. So the poster was saying that you can practice while serving your sentence in jail for having killed them.

Richard


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On 2005-12-22 13:22, Mental_Mike wrote:
I think the BCS would be a really good thing on magicians....but has any magician ever asked "Why can't just I shuffle it???"

Mike

Mike,

Since I mostly don't perform for magicians I can usually get away with shuffling myself and then giving the deck out to be cut. Part of it also has to do with your personality which I talk about in "Principles of Magic". I believe there were comments about it on the thread, but that one was killed because of remarks made on the thread.

As an aside, you can give a deck a shuffle and most of the cards will still be in order. Demonstrate with your hands that you want the deck shuffled "like this" and show an overhand shuffle. I once did this to a magician 3 times and I still got the card!

Richard
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In my experience cuts are enought. when I give a spectator the deck and let them cut and complete the cut they are happy, and since they can do it until doomsday they are totally satisfied, because a cut or several cuts is like shuffling the deck for lay audiences. and I can agree with mr osterlind: overhand shuffles are very deceptiv too!. sometimes a ask if they want one last cut and mostly they say no.
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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I have been doing BCS for 16 years,Its the ultimate!Thank you Richard,I bought it from Hank Lee $5.00 worth every penny ten fold .I also love your two trick booklet same era,As far as the original post,I simply avoid brushing with arrogance,I have seen greatly skilled humble magicians,And ego maniacs who are inept.Im am reminded and so very greatfull that I do not suffer from the later,When I see this...

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If I want to really impress...again its Richards BCS. It does seem totally impossible.

My prefered presentation (based on the suggested "Test Condition" routine) involves setting up a totally impossible testing situation. One of the highlights was when I followed the Test Condition routine, then sent my friend to the other side of the school playing field (soccer match size). I then phoned him on his mobile phone (cell phone) and told him the card reversed in the center of his deck...Needless to say I could see the reaction from where I was standing.

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Mental_Mike
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Thanks Richard. I don't perform for any magicians, and never have but I know that getting spectators to cut is not a problem at all. It's just like shuffling the deck for them. I was doing an effect with the BCS a few days ago on my cousin...he held the deck under the table and I told him to cut and cut and cut....I could tell just by looking at his face he wasn't actually cutting...he was mixing them....I thought I would give it a try anyways, thinking I Could get lucky..The effect didn't go right....Don't ya just love doing effects to people who don't listen??

Mike
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One thing I have learned..is that I must be absolutely clear as to what I am instructing the spectator to do.In other words(after they show me they know how I would like them to cut the cards):"Please CAREFULLY cut the cards under the table..Now remove either the top or bottom card and turn it over..now you will be holding one card face-up in one hand and the face down deck in the other"...Yada yada yada.I found that if I do not clearly state the instructions this way,they will probably screw it up.

Rich
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