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John LeBlanc
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Maybe this thread will help explain to some people why The Fitch Kohler Professional Holdout isn't for sale, but rather leased for $1,849.95, and the terms of that lease are nothing to sneeze at.

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Yes, there was a CDR included (not a pressed disc, incidentally) including an mpeg file that shows Alain demonstrating the moves--no sound, if I'm recalling correctly. The mpeg was probably circulated with the .pdf, I would imagine.

Apart from all this, it's a great peek. If I'd planned to continue using it, I'd have held onto the book myself.

John, I'm not sure that your comparison is entirely fair. The physics of pirating a carefully machined holdout and scanning a 100 page book are vastly different. The leasing system is a valid response to the abuses of intellectual property in the magic world, but I'm cautious of justifying it on the basis of the occasional scanned book. Doing so glosses over several more interesting questions regarding the sale and resale of secrets, etc.
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Perhaps a system can be instigated such as some fine artists have: A contract that the artist is to be advised upon change of ownership of the artpiece, and that exchange price be revealed, and the artist to receive a portion (residual) of that profit.

Of course, that would not affect illegal copying, but would, in this case, at least have given Mr Bellon some later profits from the resale of his work. In the case of Mr Bellon, it is apparent that, at each new owner of his work, he should receive an amount of profit AT LEAST equal to the profits of a single copy of the original book. And more if it sold for more.

I predict increasingly stringent rules for the transfer of high-end secrets in the field.
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On 2005-12-30 19:10, PossumSlimm wrote:
John, I'm not sure that your comparison is entirely fair. The physics of pirating a carefully machined holdout and scanning a 100 page book are vastly different. The leasing system is a valid response to the abuses of intellectual property in the magic world, but I'm cautious of justifying it on the basis of the occasional scanned book. Doing so glosses over several more interesting questions regarding the sale and resale of secrets, etc.


I don't necessarily disagree wholy with that, but the lease (license) agreement parallels those I've been part of in the music industry. A well written agreement of this type is a beautiful instrument.

Ebooks fall into established copyright territory, which a well written agreement trumps. First sale doctrine is federal law and there's no arguing against someone's right to sell an otherwise unencumbered protected work. So, what does work? A license agreement.

As for the justification of using it, I think we'll see more and more of it on things worthy of protection. And, as Tom notes above: "I predict increasingly stringent rules for the transfer of high-end secrets in the field." My friend Walter Blaney and his associates worked hard on such a thing in the world of illusions. The agreement is the instrument that can mitigate a lot of the piracy we see now, so long as its infractions are enforced.

Steganography and digital watermarking is a lot more sophisticated now than ever before. Technology is not the question; the question is its application and, more importantly, enforcement.

Anyone doubt Kohler and Fitch mean what they say about enforcing their agreement? I don't.

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Speaking of this, I just put up my copy of Obisidian Oblique at the auction site. It is number 19 out of 100.

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It looks like Greg's copy is going high in the auction. It's at $355 right now. Anyone want to predict what it'll finally go for?

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It wouldn't surprise me if it ends up in the neighborhood of $655.

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