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icentertainment
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OOOOH I havn't introduced you to Darth David---ask other people about him- he has run down the dark side and has not returned.

There is an old gag

when the half the audience laughs you say

"Everyone laughs together or not at all"

is very similar to

"Yep Long posts or don't post at all"

I am joking - you'll get to know my sarcastic and dry overtones - in fact sometimes there is not much point to some of my posts other to be dry and sarcastic.

so with me there are 3 types of posts

1: Nice, Deep & meaningful
2: Dry & Sarcastic with a little bit of help
3: Darth David or as I like to be known Darth Dave for short.

and as for your last post--- (Darth Dave) I am hilarious
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Good job Wayne.
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To write a good routine is something.
To really entertain an audience is everything.
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I find the original thread oon this topic very interesting, and so I am unanimous in my decision to hi-jack the thread back to the topic! (satirical humor there!)

Hats are a difficult call. Someone may just not like the style or type of hat you are wearing, and make a decision based upon that alone. Some styles have a connotation for people. Think about the movie or TV personna who wears a hat. Who wears a Porkpie hat? Who wears a proper Bowler, who wears a Derby? who wears a Stetson? Who wears a Fedora? Who wears a Panama?
There are some who feel that people wearing hats are "hiding something". First impressions and all. That said, if you are going to consider a hat, and it is not part of a specific costume or theme- Zoot suit, Banker or Dealers visor, etc., then take the time to make sure the hat looks good on you. If you are going to have it be a part of who you are, then spend the money to have it be of good quality, and well fitted. Take the time and consider a professional consultant on fashion, or a quality hatter to give you guidance. Sure, they want to make a sale, but if they are a top notch establishment, they will know their product, and would usually rather have a happy customer, for repeat business and word of mouth, than a quick sell. They will be honest enough to tell you that even though YOU may like the style, it does or does not go with your face/body/etc.
you will also need to practice good manners for wearing a hat. Take it off when indoors, gentleman, "Tip" your hat when meeting people. Too often hats are worn indoors. Even at the table! I may not be Ms. Manners, but my momma taught me a few rules, close your mouth while eating, and take your hat off inside, or at the table!
You might also be attentive to prospective clients when you are approaching them. If you have done your homework before hand on the corporate side, you should already know if there may be issues with wearing a hat.
Using a hat as a way to hide areas of challenged follicles will only undo you when you step indoors, and use your good manners to remove your chapeau!

Aaron, on the two photos you post, for my opinion, I have to say that one is not wearing a hat that fits the style of the suit very well. It does nothing to provide any measure of flattery for my eye. The other, while the style may be fine, is not well fitted, It appears to be a too small hat stretched for the head. It too detracts to my eye. Know that I am not an expert by anyones measure, I just do not find the images to be very flattering to the gentlemen pictured.

Kay
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What if you've got no hair?
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Hair or no, the hat is an optional accessory for the wardrobe- unless you live in a very cold clime, then it is more of a part of your survival equipment!!
I was remiss in mentioning that at times, headweqar can be the resutl of a cultural or religious situation as well, and the etiquitte that is appropriate should be observed as needed.

One thought I had regarding hats, if you are performing, and feel that the hat is a must, then consider re-viving some of the seldom seen art of hat juggling. I do not mean the type with balls and clubs, but rather the rolling and flourishes seen in acts of 40-50 + years ago. Especially with a corporate clientele, if the top management is more mature, then you may actually gain an advantage. Again, it is imperative to do the homework, and be sure you are selling what they want to buy!

I still think that all of the same rules and manners apply, hair or no!
It was remarked to me last night how a few weeks ago when a US football playoff game was about to start, and the Anthem was played, the announcer actually instructed people to stand, and for the men to remove hats, and place them over their hearts.
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If you are going to start doing hat tricks then check out this site :-

http://www.trickswithhats.org

The best site in the world for this stuff.

Nigel

And it is not relevant that they are friends of mine
I knew a man who kept saying "pliers, pincers, scissors". He was speaking in tongs.

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Sweet. Thanks Nigel!
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Few unknowns are hired because of the hat they wear. It's like asking whether or not to wear a mustache, not everyone likes them.

If you want to be a free spirit and wear the hat, know that you may not be selected because you are wearing a hat. I've never heard anyone say, "If only you were wearing a hat, I'd hire you...
Yes, I am a magician. No I did not make my hare (hair) disappear... it just took early retirement.
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I think the topic may have been started in jest and mostly taken in jest but is your visual appearance not a strong part of your selling power. People make a lot of presumptions and assumptions from a photograph, take the Café for example, ever chatted to somone for a while on the Café, one day they change their avatar and you start seeing them in a whole new light.

I bet it does make a difference. I bet if you showed 100O people a picture of yourself wearing a hat, then 1000 different people a picture of you not wearing a hat and asked both people "would you hire this magician?" there would be a marked difference in response, I'm not sure which way it would go but I reckon it would change.

I wear a turquoise hat in most of my promotional pics, no idea why, probably a stupid idea.

George
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Hats give and limit characteristics. For the most part, marketing researchers equate men’s hats with lower income, lower skill levels and lower educations. That is because occupationally it is a safe bet. Hats tend to be part of uniforms; required for safety; required by the health department (food preparation); identify rank among skilled and semiskilled workers; a costume of relatively new immigrants; identify employees from customers, or to suggest a membership in some affinity organization (BuckMasters, NASCAR, ball fans, shoppers of an auto parts store, etc.). There are a couple of exceptions. Western businessmen in cowboy hats and men in formal (white tie only) dress are very different. Hats rarely elevate one’s status. But they can define it.

However, hats may also serve a purpose to define a character or identify with a group that does routinely wear hats. In real life, I wear hats to fish and work on the farm. As a rodeo contestant, it was a contractual requirement. Of course, formal dress in white tie requires it. But I have also had a client who furnished rodeo prize money that required it. When doing my Dove Pan Routine, I wear a chief’s hat. Yes, I wear hats and caps. I was raised as a cowboy!

However, this question started with corporate magicians and the appropriate use of hats. If I have learned a rule of thumb, it is that hats and corporate magic never mix! This is especially true indoors. Caps are used very temporarily for publicity shots for a limited circulation to those it would positively influence (production line employees, sports fans, new company logo, etc.). I have even seen them trashed after the photo.

Special events (rodeo in my case) called for hats outdoors but putting one on indoors effectively removed your name for the “bid list” for future engagements. (This applied to baseball caps as well.) As a scripted part of your act during the performance of that act males wearing a cap or hat is permitted. Off stage, it is the kiss of death. Corporate executives know the difference between a character’s costume and poor manners. At the corporate level, poor manners can be “programmed out”. Movies and television about corporations are fantasies. Corporations are real!

If I were your personal manager, I would warn you against any hats offstage that are not the mainstream for the corporate executives you represent. I would even warn you about them being visible in your personal automobile. Out west you may need a couple thousand dollars worth of hats. Otherwise, at most Fortune 500 companies it will end your magical corporate career. Borrowed image is one of the things that corporate entertainers bring to the bargain. Anything that fails to enhance corporate image is an unnecessary expense. Don’t embarrass your client. They have a lot of options. They know that and they are decision makers.

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kaytracy
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Mr. Sanders!
Excellent information, thank you, a number of points to increase knowledge with!
as a Californian, I/we like to think we can do what we like as far as fashion and it will be accepted. Alas, that is as far from the truth as any other fantasy.
I wholeheartedly agree about the manners and urge folks if they are uncertain, to go to the library and read a bit of Ms. Manners' works, among others.
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