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I recently advertised a booklet on another UK magic site and got an e-mail from some guy saying he wanted to buy it and how did I want paying. I told him it was £16.50 plus £1.50 postage.This is the reply I got..

Thanks for the mail and sorry for the late response....

I am ok with all that you have say and I am still intrested in buying your items but the rest of the funds that is going to be on cheque the money will be going to my shipping company after you deduct your asking your price and send the rest to shipper I want you to understand all that I have tell you pls get back to me asap.....

Lizzy.

The guy is talking About sending a cheque for £2000, me to deduct the £18 and send the balance to his shipping agent.

So..what's up here.

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I wouldn't even mess with it. I'd tell the guy, "Here's my cost. Here's where to send the money. Whatever business you have with your shipping agent...take care of it with your shipping agent. If this is not acceptable, I'm sorry. But I'm simply trying to sell a book, I do not wish to become in any way involved in your other business affairs"

That's is what I would do. He may be on the up and up. But it sure isn't the way most people conduct business transactions,via the internet or otherwise.

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I gathered that Vandy but what is to stop me getting the cheque, cashing the 2 grand and doing nothing. (Have it sent to a PO Box address so he can't trace me).

I suppose then I just hope the Mafia don't pay me a call.

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Sounds like one of those "can you please help me with money tied up in xyz bank" scams.

I'd forward the e-mail to the fraud guys, but I'm not so nice.

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Sounds too fishy. Even if you wait for his check to clear and send him the balance, he will have your bank routing number and account number.
Ask yourself..Who sends a check to pay for something over ten times the asking price?
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On 2006-01-09 14:03, hkwiles wrote:
I gathered that Vandy but what is to stop me getting the cheque, cashing the 2 grand and doing nothing.(Have it sent to a PO Box address so he can't trace me).

I suppose then I just hope the Mafia don't pay me a call.

Howard
I wouldn;t want to be responsible for someone elses dough. But if it really came down to it, they may be able to garner some info from your ISP through the E-mail that you have been using to communicate with the guy. That would, most likely, have to involve the authourities. But if you did pocket the cash and the guy wanted to find you...that's probably where they would start.
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On 2006-01-09 14:03, hkwiles wrote:
I gathered that Vandy but what is to stop me getting the cheque, cashing the 2 grand and doing nothing.(Have it sent to a PO Box address so he can't trace me).

I suppose then I just hope the Mafia don't pay me a call.

Howard


The fact that the check is no good is what is keeping you from cashing it and keeping the balance.
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On 2006-01-09 14:28, Payne wrote:
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On 2006-01-09 14:03, hkwiles wrote:
I gathered that Vandy but what is to stop me getting the cheque, cashing the 2 grand and doing nothing.(Have it sent to a PO Box address so he can't trace me).

I suppose then I just hope the Mafia don't pay me a call.

Howard


The fact that the check is no good is what is keeping you from cashing it and keeping the balance.


LOL that is true. But that's assuming that the guy could get Howard to send the materials out prior to being paid. Howard, please say you would never do THAT!! LOL
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This sounds like a variation of a scam that has been discussed here before. See http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=44
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Hk, this is a scam. What happens is you put the cheque they send you into your account and it gets credited, so you think its been cleared, when the cheque goes back to the person's bank who sent it, it does not get cleared (because they don't have the funds) and so what has been credited to your account gets taken out, so you lose all of the money you sent out + the book and P&P. These scams started in Nigeria but now they are common everywhere. By the way, this person will not pay you the £18. They are pro's, I know a few aquaintances who have lost to this scam big time., mike
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Thanks Mike, I had no intention of sending the goods, just curious as to how it works..I had a similar one some months ago, again from selling an item on http://www.magicweek.co.uk

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Brad is right on target. This is a new twist on the Name-Your-Price Birthday Party scam. They'll probably pay you with a bogus money order, certified or cashiers check. These can take weeks to clear through the system before they come back to you as a worthless counterfeit. By then of course, you've lost your product and cash. Most companies have traditionally held product for ten business days then sent the merchandise without checking on the status of the draft since they haven't received a Nonsufficient Funds notice. Others might send the stuff out promptly because it's a certified or cashiers check. These scumbags count on this...but they don't want the merchandise. They want either the "forwarded cash balance" or access to your personal account information.

Now, let's say that you agree to such a deal on a whim...or to "teach these a**es a lesson." At best...Once you have their draft they will hound you, threaten you and, generally, make life miserable for you to try and coerce you into complying with your "agreement" before the counterfeit draft comes back. At worst...the draft may be designed to return to them WITH your personal account information intact and printed among the computer routing codes on the back. Look atthe back of a cancelled check and you'll see what I mean. With these numbers they simply launch a direct assault on your account using counterfeit drafts with YOUR account numbers.

Blow these idiots off and refuse to do any business or have further contact with them...but then, you knew that! :o)

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Con artists make their money or acquire things without paying for them by taking advantage of people's greed. If they can't take advantage of your ignorance then your greed will certainly put you where they want you.

I noticed he said, as a complete stranger, he'd send you a check for 2,000 pounds and will merely trust you to take your 18 pounds and send the rest to the shipping dept. spoken of.

If you were dumb enough or better yet, greedy enough, you'd fall for this perhaps thinking you'd take the entire 2,000 pounds.

I mean we're just talking about 30 bucks here and he's asking you to join him in going through all this trouble?

This guy is so unscrupulous and such an idiot he doesn't even deserve your response. To hell with him.
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This guy is so unscrupulous and such an idiot he doesn't even deserve your response. To hell with him.

C'mon man, You can't fault a dude for trying. LOL
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Hey Vandy...wonder what 'Jon' would say...;-)

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A keyboard site I go onto came across the same thing about 18 months ago,an associate advertised his electronic organ for sale if I remember correctly it was $7,500,he got an email with the same story but the cheque was for $20,000, he was told when the cheque got put into your bank and its ok , a colleague of mine will call for the organ to ship it to me, and if you give him a cheque for the balance of $12,500 that will be ok. he put the cheque in his account for $20,000 and sure enough it went through,but the seller said he was waiting for the cheque to go through, but in good faith handed over his prized organ and promised to send the cheque off as soon as he had the cash, he told us what had happened being really pleased he had got top price in the sale for his electronic organ,about a few weeks later the $20,000 that he put into his account was taken out by the bank,so he had given away his organ for free ,and if he had paid the $12,500 to the colleague, he would have lost that as well.
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On 2006-01-09 17:34, Doug Higley wrote:
Hey Vandy...wonder what 'Jon' would say...;-)

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I can only imagine. LOL
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I tried to sell my telescope so I posted an add for it. 16 replies ALL from people in Nigeria...DO THEY THINK I'M AN IDIOT? I guess so. Only one real offer but he wasn't willing to pay what the scope was worth. Oh well.

We had people from nigeria actually CALL our house a few years back.
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What banks do to poor people(credit them only to later retroactivly take the funds back) is horrible and they KNOW what they are doing.

The banks need to develope either technology or protocals to stop the crediting of fraudulent checks, or they need to provide comprehensive insurance for their customers....

their current system is just crazy imho as I've had friends get scammed and heard many many stories of regular working people who get scammed, and only agree to the scam because the bank says that the check cleared and that everything is fine(only to find out 2-3 weeks later that they retroactivly took the funds out).

I'm not saying stealing from the banks is right, but it certainly could help force them to change their ways of letting their customers get scammed with no safety-net.
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I know it seems that what the banks do is horrible, but in their defense, they do spell these things out in the papers you sign. It is common practise to wait after the check clears. It takes time to know if the check is real or not and it is your duty to wait and make sure the check is for real. There is a risk taking checks from people and you have to know this. How do you think banks make money? Not by you being a perfect customer. They make money off of people's mistakes. They have to make money somehow. So you're right, they do know what they are doing. And so do you! So don't let it happen.
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