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moosemanty Regular user 102 Posts |
Dose anyone have any ideas on how to use a small snake (about 2.5 to 3 feet long) in magic I use him I a dove pan but that's all I can think of any other ideas???
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Sam Tabar Inner circle Austin, Texas 1050 Posts |
Check the following threads.
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=13 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=13
"Knowledge comes from finding the answers, but understanding what the answers mean is what brings wisdom." - Anonymous
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moosemanty Regular user 102 Posts |
Thanks, well guess I should have looked through the other topics first.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Square circles will allow you to produce about anything with or without a cage. I've produced everything from live fish and lobsters to rabbits from them. Use the MAK double load.
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Chad C. Inner circle 1522 Posts |
Hi,
I use a snake in my shows. I have a small (3 foot) ball python and a larger 4.5 ft one. We also have a cornsnake. The snakes have been produced using a dove pan and the circus wagon effect. We also use a tarantula and an emperor scorpion in the show. The snake is by far the favorite and all the young ones want to pet the snake after the show. It is one of our main selling points-no more boring rabbits (just kidding). But is does get us lots of shows. Have a great day. |
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Caveat Lector Elite user 493 Posts |
I would agree with Chad, I have been using snakes in my act for 20 years. I use a dove pan and I have also produced one using diminishing silks and then do the steal. It is important to have the load bag made for the snake you are going to use. I also put a zipper on the bag to make sure that the snake doesn't decide to make a surprise appearance too early.
Corrupting the art of magic, one show at a time
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freefallillusion1 Elite user Cincinnati, OH 446 Posts |
A zipper on the bag would certainly prohibit the snake's natural escape artist tendencies, but what if he's touching the zipper when you unzip it? Guys think "past experiences with quickly unzipping jeans" and you'll know what I mean
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magicmanila New user Washington DC 88 Posts |
Yeow!!! but yes a bag would be a good alternative.
Chad, I'm just curious, how do you produce the spider and the scorpion? Guys would it be cruel to produce a garter snake from a vanishing wa*d? Any view on this is welcome.
PERFORM MAGIC AND NOT "PUZZLES" so the audience wont try to "figure out how its done".
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James Adamson Special user Deatsville - Holtville - Slapout, AL 945 Posts |
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On 2006-01-26 13:04, freefallillusion1 wrote: Oh, the bad memories that come to mind that I would like to forget! But it was funny in Something About Mary. magicmanila, The other animals that we normal use in magic the animals are not put in what we HUMANS think as being in bad positions or mistreated. I do not know enough about snakes to say what would be considered appropriate usage in a wand or other such devices. However old text does say that magi have used rods to snakes. I am sure some people believe that an animal should never be used.
Be remembered for performing what looks like MAGIC, not skill.
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Caveat Lector Elite user 493 Posts |
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On 2006-01-26 13:04, freefallillusion1 wrote: Actually if they do have their heads near the top as soon as you grab that area they will quickly pull their head back as they do not generally like to have their faces touched. I found that most of the time I had to reach in and pull them out because they had already gone to sleep in the bag.
Corrupting the art of magic, one show at a time
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Autumn Morning Star Grammar Hostess Today, I corrected grammar in 1378 Posts |
Corn snakes make great production reptiles because they are gentle, colorful, stay under 6 lbs, and don't eat your poodle. They are found in Florida and are not as sensitive to temperature as tropical snakes such as boas and pythons.
I have four and rotate them because they are either eating or shedding. The effect is great. But they are expensive to keep unless you raise young rats to feed them. Then you build up quite a menagerie of critters. They are total escape artists. So when you stay at the Hyatt, be sure you have them in an escape-proof box. A lost snake is a tough one to explain to the management.
Wonder is very necessary in life. When we're little kids, we're filled with wonder for the world - it's fascinating and miraculous. A lot of people lose that. They become cynical and jaded, especially in modern day society. Magic renews that wonder.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2006-01-26 16:48, MorningStar wrote: Let me be your agent. Organic pest control is at work on the management's site. That should be worth something. Now we can be generous to a fault. However, the services offered are silent, effective and ecologically sound. Make us an offer! If the management is unhappy, we could loose a mongoose eradication service (extra charge) or post warning signs at all doors and go door to door asking the occupants if they have seen the loose snake. Which do you prefer? There is also the 6 o’clock news! We do have old photos to use. Of course the snake is much larger now. I’m sure they’ll take our word for that. Shall we call the local animal shelter? By the way, does our contract have a “no loose snake” clause? Is there something less I could do for you? Bob Management Relations Confounder |
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Chad C. Inner circle 1522 Posts |
Hi all,
I use a cornsnake as well, he is a great contrast to the ball pythons coloring. The ball pythons have a great temperament, and they stop growing at about 4.5-5.5ft, which means they can still be used as adults without getting special props. Magicmanila: I produce the spider and tarantula in a silk trick (I forget the name so I'll describe it). It's the same trick that is used to show three silks individually and then reach in and produce a wine bottle. The scorpion and spider are in separate, plastic toothbrush holders and I just reach in and pull them out one at a time. Then you can display them safely to all the kids. You can get the holders at Wal-mart. |
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Autumn Morning Star Grammar Hostess Today, I corrected grammar in 1378 Posts |
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On 2006-01-26 22:30, Bob Sanders wrote: Oh, Bob! You are toooo funny! Do you write your own material? I would love for you to write mine. If I lose another snake you can be my "management relations confounder". My orange corn snake got loose at a posh Guest Ranch in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado! A drunk guest let themselves into my private room and took my snake, played with it, and fell asleep holding it. "Velveeta" was found nearly 1 month later under a saddle in a guest's room, hungry and angry. The management kept it quiet for the month she was missing but I think I should send them your message with a bill for her services
Wonder is very necessary in life. When we're little kids, we're filled with wonder for the world - it's fascinating and miraculous. A lot of people lose that. They become cynical and jaded, especially in modern day society. Magic renews that wonder.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Good Morning MorningStar,
Glad to know I entertained you. Yes, I have to do my own writing. No one wants to risks his reputation on me. Apparently I have a reputation to live down to. Even ghost writers hide from me! That’s scary! My daughter is at the ranch in Wyoming. She sent the picture of a huge rattlesnake they killed there. Then later she gave the real story. A neighbor’s wife killed the monster with her bridle reigns! Poor snake! Think what this lady could do with a purse. I bet the bears are hiding from her. Cowards! Velveeta? What a cheesy name for a snake. Is Velveeta really made from corn oil instead of milk? Velveeta is not a milk snake is she? Corn snakes must be nondairy snakes. That’s why you don’t need a bull snake? Now I’m beginning to understand. I bet her mate’s name is Crackers. Right? Macaroni? Actually, did you name her Velveeta because when she gets warm she slinks and runs everywhere? (She has less fat than Cheddar?) She’s a product of your Kraft? If I become the agent for you and Velveeta, will I be known as “Agent Orange”? I try to keep about a hundred doves. For decades they have all had the same names: Spot and Rover. The only tricks they can do are roll over and play dead. But a dog book was all the pet store had. At least it had good names. Animals on the road can be fun. More than once I have gone into my bath at the hotel to find doves on the shower rod or looking for water to play in, in the tub. (Doves love to play in a light sprinkling shower. If you don’t want company in the shower, make sure their cage is latched. I’ve never had the nerve to tell them that it is really a “cat carrier”.) I still think a loose snake makes more sense than a tight one. That could be a tough one to explain to the manager too! But in your case, it must have been the tight ranch guest who caused the loose snake. How did management explain that? Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Autumn Morning Star Grammar Hostess Today, I corrected grammar in 1378 Posts |
Bob Sanders...I am laughing so hard I can't type. Bob, you gotta quit that day job and hit the comedy clubs!
Incidentally, Velveeta's stage name is Tang. She has a mate named Fluffy but his stage name is Spam. He is pink and beige spotted and loves to hang out on my computer. I think I will breed them this spring and will name the babies Angina, By-pass, and Stent. Then again, Spam + Tang = Spang (the drink of Hawaiian astronauts.)
Wonder is very necessary in life. When we're little kids, we're filled with wonder for the world - it's fascinating and miraculous. A lot of people lose that. They become cynical and jaded, especially in modern day society. Magic renews that wonder.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Good afternoon again Morning Star,
Day job? Actually, in my other life I'm a registered lobbyist. That is a comedy club. Two things people should never watch being made: sausage and legislation. It is funny that you think I should work the comedy clubs. I got a booking call for a show in Illinois and in conclusion the caller said, "You can bring magic if you like. But we would take all one-liners." (Lucy wishes I did only a silent act.) She would love your medical snake names. With the young snakes slithering around, could you call Spam’s favorite “Spam Helper”? Tang’s favorite could be Tang Lite. Although, it’s a mystery to me why you see them and think of groceries. Once in the last four years I was working with a rather narcissistic beginner elected official on dealing with Asian businessmen looking for a place to locate an automobile assembly plant in the USA. The only things the arrogant politician knew about Asians came from martial arts movies. He also was unaware that these businessmen had IQs at least 50 points above his and would spot him as a business fake at a thousand paces. But he was going to impress them with his seriousness. As we left the office to go meet them, he gave me an order. “Bob, no jokes and no tricks!” That part he knew about me. The part he did not know was that I been in the import business since 1969. We practiced being humorless going to the airport. The greenhorn elected official was pretending as hard as he could, based upon his ignorance, to be a businessman. The auto manufacturers met the conceded official, made some small talk and we loaded into cars. Then to the pretentious bureaucrat’s surprise, the Asian executive excused himself from riding in the car with him and got into the car with me. He wanted to swap jokes! The other guy had no sense of humor and, therefore, no credibility. There was nothing to discuss. The comfort level was zero. Meeting adjourned! Being fun is fundamental to many of life’s achievements. As entertainers, we often have to replenish that for our audiences. Entertaining is a very serious business. Bob Magic By Sander |
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Autumn Morning Star Grammar Hostess Today, I corrected grammar in 1378 Posts |
I had to laugh when I re-read this thread, Bob. It was worth bringing up again. I now have a huge snake aquarium and hope to have some gravid (pregnant) females soon.
I also have been practicing with a fake snake that is actually molded off a real snake. Geez it looks real and can really give me a startle if he is on the floor in the studio! Sometimes I have to fly international and cannot bring my snakes. Therefore, the fake snake works well, though it freaks out airport security when they must inspect my cases. I have not named him, but I am sure I will come up with something. Any ideas?
Wonder is very necessary in life. When we're little kids, we're filled with wonder for the world - it's fascinating and miraculous. A lot of people lose that. They become cynical and jaded, especially in modern day society. Magic renews that wonder.
Doug Henning |
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
If you're going to use snakes .. you have to use the real deal. I've had a snake in my show for almost 20 years now .. yes, since the 80's. I actually still have the very same Python all these years. He's retired now as he's almost 18 feet long. I have two other snakes that are in rotation for the show, an albino Burmese Python and a Boa Constrictor named Snuggles.
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Autumn Morning Star Grammar Hostess Today, I corrected grammar in 1378 Posts |
Hey Chezaday,
I have snakes! Four huge cornsnakes I raised from babies as you can read in the earlier thread above. (OK, huge as cornsnakes go... they top out at five feet, unlike your monster burmese). I love them and realize the commitment and you are correct to mention this! Being a vegetarian it was truly tough to feed them pinkies, then mice, then rats. Rats are sooo smart (and adorable when they are small) it is hard to see them in the food chain. Snakes are nasty to clean! Arg. But they are so amazing! Mine have never bitten me. I have been bitten by someone else's snake. I have been a snake keeper for almost twenty years, too. I have only used the fake just a few times when there were airline issues with the snakes. The new security measures are a bear and I do hate to get caught with a cornsnake down my blouse. Back before 9-11 I flew all the time with two concealed birds and one snake. Never ever got caught. I could tell you stories! After 9-11 I made five flights WITH concealed birds. (Some security measures, eh?) Now they pat you down so thoroughly I almost expect the security folks to at least buy me a drink! As for the feke snake...Manipulating the molded snake is a talent in itself. It has taken me hours, just like manipulating billiard balls or anything you want to be convincing. You would swear it is real. Not just a flimsy rubber snake, but a scaly museum replica molded off a corn snake. It is only visible for a short while. I will see if I can change my avitar for a while and include my cornsnake, Velveeta.
Wonder is very necessary in life. When we're little kids, we're filled with wonder for the world - it's fascinating and miraculous. A lot of people lose that. They become cynical and jaded, especially in modern day society. Magic renews that wonder.
Doug Henning |
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