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DJP Veteran user London 391 Posts |
Dear All
Another interest of mine is photography, which when thinking about taking photos, lead me to asking these questions: Please correct me if I'm wrong, when one is trying to get rid of a phobia using NLP methods, one can imagine that the image of the phobia loses its colour, for example if it was carrots (!), then the orange colour would be changed into a dull grey colour. And thus an image is turned Black or white. This lead me to question; could Black and White photographs create a 'negative' memory of a particular scenario? Which would question why do couples have black and white photos at their wedding (apart from aesthetic value)? Or Is a black and white photograph extremely clever- by creating an image that is not similar to a real moment (lack of colour) which means that- for example a couple had a photo of themselves taken in black and white, then they are more likely to remember their own mental images of the event rather than being influenced by the photograph taken of them? Thanks Maybe an idea could be applied to magic. Dave
David
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harishjose Special user 932 Posts |
NLP does not say that black and white pictures cause negetive emotions. As a matter of fact, I cannot state this because NLP is vague these days. What Bandler suggested was that decreasing the sub-modality of a color picture like color the emotion attached diminishes. I don't believe this diminishing charecteristic goes to a negetive value.
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DJP Veteran user London 391 Posts |
'What Bandler suggested was that decreasing the sub-modality of a color picture like color the emotion attached diminishes'
OK that's the starting point - thus would black and white photographs diminish emotions felt on that day they were taken- e.g. applied to the bride and groom on there wedding day? Dave
David
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teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
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Cheers TJ :) |
DJP Veteran user London 391 Posts |
TJ- Thanks for your input!
Dave
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teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Dave
I'd put some in if I knew what to put in and where to put it LOL Cheers TJ PS You'll put the whole NLP movement on it's knees if you ask such searching questions Keep them coming T |
DJP Veteran user London 391 Posts |
Any Ideas?
Submodalities: The structure of internal representations determines your response to the content. For example, picture someone you really like. Make the colors more intense, as if you were turning up the color knob on a TV. Now turn the color down, until it's black and white. For most people, high color intensifies the feeling, and B&W neutralizes it. The degree of color, part of the STRUCTURE of the representation, affects the intensity of your feelings about the content. (http://www.nlpschedule.com/whats-nlp.html) DAVE
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harishjose Special user 932 Posts |
The better way to do your idea will be to use a picture as an anchor and evoke the kind of emotion you want on it (positive or negetive). And then build up the anchor.
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DJP Veteran user London 391 Posts |
Thanks harish
I am not using this for an effect as such, but applying this NLP idea to see if there is a fallacy in taking B&W photographs for happy moments. I am asking here to you guys as some of you know what I'm talking about Keep them coming, and some more information would be appreciated to aid this idea. Dave
David
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harishjose Special user 932 Posts |
General feeling with black and white photos is nostalgia. Nostalgia is a mixed bag of emotions mainly sadness. Sepia is even better. For example take a color picture and change it into sepia (using photoshop, picasa or any editing software)
You can show a sepia picture to someone first and then ask him/her to close the eyes and then show the color picture, they will feel the difference. So might you. Wish I could help you. For some great article on all of these, try http://www.neurosemantics.com
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cardiac Loyal user Reading, U.K. 250 Posts |
Interesting post. Not sure how it could be incorporated into an effect of any kind though.
One common premise is that by stripping the colour from an image, you remove the obvious, the distractions and you're left to concentrate on the essential elements, the expressions on people's faces, the composition etc. The opposite of this i.e. using colour for effect can be done by using contrasting colours, or maybe a colourful subject in a relatively monochrome setting. BW pics don't convey negative connotations, they're just BW photographs... |
xanatos Regular user Wilbraham, MA 144 Posts |
Hi there,
There's a HUGE difference between internal representations and their associated submodalities, and external representations. External representations will *trigger* internal representations, but if it were as simple as desaturating color out of something, ... buy that would make phobia cure easy! There are also MANY submodality representations concurrent with any representation that emotes a feeling state (or states). This is also why you can't create a "negative" feeling of a person's remembered experiences by simply showing a B&W photo. Often, as you stated previously in this thread, a B&W photo may actually help someone *enhance* their memory of the moment, by deleting distracting things like color and triggering a more pure representation of just the experience itself. However, the closest thing I have seen to being able to create a "negative" feeling actually involves turning a photo into a "negative". If you have access to photoshop and a scanner, select all and invert (I believe it's Alt I). Suddenly faces take on a maniacal look, things look very wierd, often nightmarish. I know people have seen a photo they have great emotional attachment to and are VERY strongly affected to see the image in negative format on the screen. This may be of use in some effect somewhere... play with it, you'll see. My avatar icon on the left has the left half done in Invert mode (it's the right side flipped & inverted, with lens flare on the eyes). For what it's worth, I was certified in NLP back in 1993 before everybody and their brother took it and ran off with it in their own, often very odd, interpretations. NLP has gotten a bad rap because so little of what's out there now under the name NLP has anything to do with it. If you've ever read Brad Henderson's EXCELLENT book on CR, "The Dance", you've read an example of how creepy some folks' "version of NLP" can be. I wish Brad had been exposed to a better first impression, especially since so much of what he discusses in the book fits in perfectly with the NLP model as originally developed... Anyway, I digress. I hope I've provided something of value for you here, and I'll be happy to clarify if not. Best, Dave Xanatos |
phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
Dave, thanks for posting such an interesting and relevant question. I too am an avid photography fan and would love to use my images in my magic!
Black and white are not natural colours, we do not see the world in monotones (except at night and then with a tint) and so a black and white picture is inherently unnatural. This may result in many interesting reactions to a layperson, one of nostalgia or perhaps a decrease in emotion. However, probably not a reversing of emotion - there is far more that makes up the picture than the colour - images contain much more information about shape and form which will also impact on the spectator. To create a negative emotional response, it might be best to change what the photo is of, rather than whether it is coloured or not. Hope that all makes sense! Best wishes, Saxon |
teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Hi
When they remake an old b & w movie in colour, the old movie is shown on TV It is strange how many people 'prefer' the old one Even though the new has colour and better effects King Kong, Cape Fear are two that surprised me I feel that the understanding of Chiaroscuro (light and shadow)was better and used more skillfully? Cheers TJ :) |
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