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Nick Wait
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I recently read a couple of reports that said there direct links between keeping doves and lung cancer. It put it along side smoking as a cause of cancer, and I must admit I was slightly unnerved by the report. Has anyone read this? I would like to think it is just an urban myth but I have feelings there is truth in it. Anyone care to expand upon this. I will try and find a link to the report. It was about lung cancer and only gave a brief look at causes.
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Posted: Jan 16, 2006 3:25pm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query......Abstract
Crispy
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I had never heard of lung cancer, but I had heard of various diseases that can be caused by inhaling fecal dust from birds. I keep my doves outside in a coop. When I clean out the coop every month or so, I wear a mask to avoid inhaling the dust.

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First of all, this report is from 1991. Secondly it is from Taipei, Republic of China. Thirdly, it did not segregate doves from smoking, asbestos, etc.

So as an old university professor married to a physician, I would ignore it.

There are diseases that can be caught from birds. Keeping your doves away from wild birds is just smart. Otherwise, the most dangerous disease spreading animal in human households is called children. Rats also rank below children but higher than birds, dogs or cats for bringing diseases to humans.

As a dove magician, I refuse to work in cigarette smoke. That is for the safety of the doves and myself. I also get a higher caliber of audience.

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So according to your wife, what are the cancer risks of smoking while in a dove coop? lol

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From what I have read---The dove gives off a fine dust called (dander) that can cause lung problems.
Never herd of it causing cancer, but you never know what future testing might produce.
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It claimed the cook had little risk of cancer, how about those he serves. I, too, keep my birds outside. Don't know why they singled out doves over other breeds. I know when I see Rick Thomas at Vegas, his cockatoo sure fills the spot light beam with a whole lot of dander when flaps his wings.
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Richard,

You are on target. Dander is not cancer. Humans put dander into the air too.


Cris,

The odds of dying from passive smoke are nearly the same as being the smoker. Remember that the smoker is breathing through a filter! But the rest of us?

There is another interesting question that did not get asked. What are the odds of dying before you can get cancer if you smoke around a doctor?

Lung cancer is serious stuff.

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I have been wanting to buy some doves for several years. Because of the dander problem and my families problems with asthma, I have held off. I could keep the doves outdoors most of the time, but I live in a cold climate during the winter months. They would have to be brought indoors.

I have thought about parakeets as an alternative, but I would have to keep them indoors year round. For all I know the result may be the same or worse. I have also feared that parakeets are too fragile for magic. I owned one when I was a kid and it lived a pretty long life, but I remember being warned of the danger of drafts, etc. If drafts are a problem I don't see how they could be safely transported to and from shows.

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Hi Regan.
From what I have read, all birds gives off dander--it a very fine dust that the feathers make.
It is supposed to be dangerous to people with asthma. So, do be careful with having birds around that part of the family.
I understand, it gets on your clothing. that's how you will take it in the house.
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Hello Richard.

Thanks for the advice. For the time being, I guess I will have to remain a non-fowl owner.

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Hello Regan,

I read your fowl reply (LOL) and wanted to warn you that parakeets give off more dander than doves. I have had plenty of both. The other advice is that if it triggers allergies, you may be better off moving on to other opportunities. Allergies tend to get worse instead of better.

Oddly, ducks may not cause you a problem with dander. They oil their feathers for swimming. It also keeps much of the dander out of the air. They are more trainable than doves. Lucy uses them.

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Yeah, but how will I ever hide a duck under my jacket? (LOL)

Thanks for the suggestion Bob. I have been thinking about alternatives. If I lived somewhere warm year round, like down in Alabama, I may get a couple of doves. I wouldn't mind keeping them outside but it's the bringing them indoors that I fear.

How about Parrots and other exotic birds? What's the allergy situation with them?

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Allergies are very specific. I know, I am disabled due to them and am making a comeback from what's known as environmental sensitivities. I am allergic to green bell peppers but not red, yellow, or orange bell peppers. I was allergic to most types of tomatoes but not Romas and cherry tomatoes. I am allergic to white rats but not black rats. Most breeds of rabbits, but not mini- Rex or Dutch. Allergies come and go from time to time. I have found ways to trick my immune system like eating Romas and heirloom tomatoes as a way of inoculating myself and now after several years have been able to include a beefsteak tomato from time to time.

Don't think because you are allergic to one type of rabbit or even two or three, there might be one you can tolerate.

Take some fur of a rabbit or feathers of a bird breed. Put it in a mesh containment, like a section of old nylon stocking and sleep with it near your pillow. The doctors will tell you by morning you will either react or not to it.

People with my type of sensitivities that react to parts- per- billion make bio engineering dangerous. The properties extracted from one plant or animal to cross into a different one might be just the DNA strain that causes our reaction. The difference between a green or red bell pepper. Actually I was allergic to about 97% of all food.

Keep in mind, not all people that smoke get cancer. Just don't smoke around me please.

I could tell you how to test yourself but it gets rather esoteric. So maybe silk magic is the way to go and leave the doves to others.
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Regan, doves are fine outdoors all year round, even when it's cold. As long as you keep them out of a direct draft, they be fine. I live in new jersey and keep my doves outside ( in an unheated garage actually). During the winter, the temperature out there often drops to zero or below and aside from their water freezing, I don't have any problems. I used to keep them in the basement but my wife has asthma and it became unbearable for her.

The dander will get on your clothes as Richard mentioned however, that shouldn't create a problem. It's the airborne dust that causes the problem. It also depends on how many doves your thinking about. Two or three won't create that much dust but it can be a problem if they are close to anyone with asthma. Now if you're talking about the 30 I have or the 100+ that Bob has, it can be a problem.
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Hi Dave,

30 to 100...I should hope not. I can see where that many might cause some problems! How fast do those things breed? Two or three max for me.

Wow, zero degrees. I didn't realize that doves could tolerate that much cold. I guess the most important thing is to have enclosed living quarters. Freezing water I can deal with. I have to fight that with the rabbits and my dog all the time.

My wife and I both have asthma. She has it worse than me. Someday I might give dove ownership a try. I was ready to give it whirl about a year or so ago and I backed out because of the asthma problems.

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If you have wild doves where you live, the magicians' doves will live there too. Just don't let them run out of water when it freezes. Wild doves can hunt water. Caged doves can't go "water" shopping.

Enjoy!

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Good point Bob. I hadn't thought about that, but I have seen more Morning Doves this year than ever before around my house. I counted 18 in one flock back in November.

Question: How do the wild doves deal with the wind? (drafts)

I had an outdoor lot that is enclosed by wire. I had planned on building a large cage and keeping doves in there. But I thought I would need to bring them indoors in the winter. Now that Dave has told me they can stand zero weather in an unheated building, I am wondering if I could modify this fenced area in some way in order for them to survive comfortably outdoors. Maybe by building a cage that I could close off on the colder days? Any suggestions?

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Regan,

Go for it!

Clear plastic will stop wind. A solid top will help hold heat.

In the most miserable of weather, you'll see your doves playing in the water!

You don't really believe that God makes junk? (There's you a song title!)

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We're getting a little off the lung issue but, Regan, doves in the wild do put up with "drafts" if by the mere fact that wind exists. The deal is that the birds will acclimate to their environment. As seasons change their body prepares for the change.

It's just not good at all to have them inside for a week or two then go outside for a week or two. It's OK to take them from their outside coop and go do a show and then return. A coop against your homes outside wall or against a fence as a wind block is very good. Corrugated fiberglass on two sides help block rain or wind as well.

I have mine outside my kitchen window so I can hear them through the day. I also keep two on my front porch under the porch roof up high so cats can't bother them. Works fine.
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Thank you Bob.

I may go for it this year if life treats me right. I just don't want to do something that will harm my wife and I want the birds to be well cared for also.

Mourning Doves surely do survive here. I saw a few recently at my mother's bird feeder. I don't know why I didn't think of that before. I guess I was just thinking that the Mourning Doves were built for outdoors more than the others.

I like the song title! If only I had more time to write.

Regan
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