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wmental
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Hi "mental friends".

I need help for increase my knowedge about peeks.
I don't like "centertear" style.
Any friend here can tell me where I can maximize my knowedge in "advanced" peeks?
(books, gimmicks and more)

Thanks all
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Check out Richard Busch's Peek Performances. Also Docc Hilford's Dance of Shiva.
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The granddady of peeks - Millard Longma´s Acidus Novus - has just been re-released in a new, expanded version and is well worth studying.
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Peek for yourself by Roy Shubert,this one is 4 peeks and routines two for close up and two for stage you can get this in http://www.caryletouch.com and post justify by julian moore this is peeks with post it notes. About gimmicks there are lot of threads here in the Café about that but in the personal I use a caper case.
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On 2006-01-18 16:37, fred200 wrote:
Peek for yourself by Roy Shubert,this one is 4 peeks and routines two for close up and two for stage you can get this in http://www.caryletouch.com.

In this book, Roy Schubert has written up his personal versions of two excellent peeks--Al Mann's Azonic Force and Ted Karmilovich's superb Third Breach peek--and these alone are worth the price of the book. Roy's additions to these peeks are valuable and his routines are clever and very workable.

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Nimrod Harel's Lair Peek is the best one I've came cross with, although it has the same principle of peeking like an other peek (I cannot really reveal) the handling is spot on.
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Busch's books on peeks are not for everyone. I strongly discourage them and feel they are over hyped. I am sure I am not alone. A basic explanation of Acidus Novus is given in Osterlind's DVD set. This is pretty good and logical.
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The new Acidus Novus CD (e-book + videos) is excellent. I consider it worth every penny I spent on it.



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If you want the peek method for 2006 and beyond - I have to agree with those above regarding Acidus Novus.

It is the most logical and cleanest handling I have used.

I highly recommend the newly released package from http://www.mevproshop.com
as it teaches visually how to do it. All you do is practice along with the videos.

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Harishjose,

The only people that either "did not get it" or got nothing from the Busch Peek books did not bother to read the introduction and then follow the book lesson by lesson and instead skimmed sections and did not learn each portion which built upon the preceding section. For anyone that did not find those books useful, if you ask them how they read the books, you will find that the case was their skimming to look for particular pieces and not learning the entire book which is needed to get anything from them. Skimming and glancing over material is the single biggest mistake made by amateurs interested in this art.

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Did someone really suggest Doc Hilfords Dance of Shiva...Does anyone really use this and if so why? Seriously? If you use I want to know about it.

The Busch books are the most decent books on peeks so far IMHO, there are lots of other places you can find good peeks but if you want a source that focuses exclusively on peeks in an easily digestible manner then it has to be Busch.

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Thank you, Paul. The point is noted.
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On 2006-01-23 17:56, Thoughtreader wrote:
Harishjose,

The only people that either "did not get it" or got nothing from the Busch Peek books did not bother to read the introduction and then follow the book lesson by lesson and instead skimmed sections and did not learn each portion which built upon the preceding section. For anyone that did not find those books useful, if you ask them how they read the books, you will find that the case was their skimming to look for particular pieces and not learning the entire book which is needed to get anything from them. Skimming and glancing over material is the single biggest mistake made by amateurs interested in this art.

PSIncerely Yours,
Paul Alberstat

It should be pointed out that Paul is a personal friend and business partner of Richard so his opinion is hardly unbiased.

For the record I know several people well-versed in Mentalism (including myself) who have read, absorbed and understood the Busch peek books but did not "get" anything from them. I don´t think they are for everybody and I don´t think they are a good introduction to peeks. Peek Performances was the first book I read on the subject and it nearly put me off peeks for life. Thankfully I have persevered and a couple of knowledgable friends have pointed me in what I think is a better direction.

Different strokes for different folks, but I certainly don´t think that it´s fair or accurate to say that people who don´t like them haven´t read the book properly! Certainly it´s true that there´s a percentage of people on this forum who don´t read anything they buy properly, but that doesn´t mean every critic can be dismissed like that.
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It should be pointed out that Paul is a personal friend and business partner of Richard so his opinion is hardly unbiased." AND "...that doesn't mean EVERY critic can be dismissed like that.

Apparently Bartlewizard is much better than anyone thought because he purports to tell us what is in my mind. Ironically, most everyone knows of my and other professional credentials which allow us to make unbiased judgements on material regardless of friendships, yet he makes these "expert" reviews with no credentials. I am asked for my opinion and review of materials by friends and colleagues for the simple fact that I am well known for speaking my mind, not always being politically correct and being blunt and straightforward about the material I speak of. If something is garbage I call it garbage no matter how close they are to me as a friend. In fact it is because of those traits that my friends respect my opinion rather than telling me before hand what they want to hear me say about their works.

I call them as I see them Bartlewizard and I would really like to know where you get off stating for a fact that my reviews are biased due to friendships because that is so farfetched that I was considering ignoring your post BUT it felt like such a personal attack I decided to respond showing my unbiased retort to your post and accusation.

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Alright Paul, I shall rephrase - due to friendship and business ties with Mr Busch I think it likely that your review is biased. You state it isn´t. I can´t prove my viewpoint, you can´t prove yours. We can only express our opinions.

However this is misdirecting us from my original point which is to refute the notion you present which is that those who don´t like Busch´s peek books didn´t read it properly. Such a notion is, IMHO, inacurrate, condescending and typical of those who don´t like to see another point of view.
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On 2006-01-24 05:11, bartlewizard wrote:
For the record I know several people well-versed in Mentalism (including myself) who HAVE read, absorbed and understood the Busch peek books but did not "get" anything from them. I don´t think they are for everybody and I don´t think they are a good introduction to peeks. Peek Performances was the first book I read on the subject and it nearly put me off peeks for life.


Bartlewizard does make a point that is quite true...I don't believe that Peek Performances and Peek Encores are meant for those individuals who are just in the beginning stages in the study of billet work. The first books a novice billet worker should be studying are Annemann's material, Corinda's 13 Steps, and perhaps Boarde's Mainly Mental part 1. These books will give a student a good, well-rounded start in the area of CTs, switching, and secretly peeking information written on pieces of paper.

Busch's works are really post-graduate coursework on extending your abilities in the area of billet work. It is important that a student of this craft be fully grounded in the basics of billet work to fully grasp the nuances of presentation as well as the various methodologies presented in Busch's books.

The Busch methodologies presented in Peek Performances and Peek Encores are not especially easy to adapt and make one's own without a complete understanding of the basics taught in the previously mentioned texts as well as an understanding of Busch's approach to the use of billets and peeking. And even then, it is necessary to work with Busch's ideas to make them a natural extension of your individual mannerisms.

A competent mentalist with prerequisite billet experience can successfully make any good billet methodology work for him. While some may choose to use one peek method over another, it is ultimately a matter of individual preference and foolish to insinuate that one approach is necessarily better than another.

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Ah, so now we are changing tack...previously I´ve been told that anyone who doesn´t like Busch´s peeks "just don´t understand" ... now it´s because I´m not advanced enough!

Strange, because when I first encountered the books it was my first exposure to peeks and I have revisited them several times in my development as a Mentalist and my feelings haven´t changed.

Add this to the fact that 2 people I count as friends and mentors who each have 30 years experience of billet work feel exactly the same as I do, and it seems to knock on the head the notion that the "nuances" can only be understood by those with suitable experience.
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Barlewizard I don't think Mysticz post was aimed at you. However I really like Busch's Peek Performance and like you I know lots of people including myself who use and have had great success with the billets, book tests and almost everything else in that book. Its just down to personal prefrence but I would urge someone who is learning billet work to read as much as possable and to make there own mind up on what works best for them.

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I am a friend of Richard Busch. If I did not like his work, I would simply remain silent. I would tell HIM that I didn't like it,but be silent in public. But I DO like his work, friendship having nothing to do with it.

I use two peeks...in all my performances...two peeks . Period (not both in the same performance, of course). One is the Billet of El Zorro from Richard's Peek Performances. To me, that alone is worth the price of the book. Why? A couple of reasons...its good and it is a lot of fun in the right circumstances. Any time, any where using a borrowed business card. I have a lot of fun with the spectator in preparing the card. That's one of the hidden gems in PP. You can prepare the card in front of the spectator and have fun with them while doing it.

The second reason is that I use it. Because it is something that I use and fairly often, it helps put money in my pocket.

If I never met Richard, my high opinion of his work would be the same. By the way, I paid full price for the book so I can be objective.

As alluded to by Joe Z, Peek Performances is like a textbook on peeks. I think that's part of its beauty. It treats this particular method in mentalism as the art it should be treated as. It is to be studied like a textbook in any course that is worthwhile.

Bartlewizard, if you don't like it, you don't like it. Different strokes for different folks. I have no axe to grind with you.

Paul Alberstat is my friend. He is as honest as anyone I know and says what he thinks. You may not agree with his opinions, but as am I, honest and pulls no punches. He would not hype something simply because it is his friend's. He is a man of high integrity.

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Could you share with us the name of the other peek you use, Mr. Razzano (and bring us back to topic for a moment?)

Thanks,

Boyd
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