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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
O also I have a question. I am upgrading to a Jardonnet Premium and was wondering what you thoughts were about soft vs hard leather models.
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
All of the latest lineup of Jim Pace wallets work great. They're electronically activated with a silent button, and are rechargeable.
Now appearing nightly in my basement.
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TheMagicMaker New user 64 Posts |
Now that is an interesting concept.. rechargeable batteries... I've seen this and wondered, from what I can see the batteries in Mr. Pace's new Volcano Wallet look "hard wired" and even have some metal tabs where I'm guessing you have to clip something to charge them. What happens when the battery needs to be replaced? Also, can you use regular batteries in the event that one day you forget to recharge them and you need to use the wallet in a show or gig? Are they NiCads? I doubt he is using lithium... I've only ever had real issues with any NiCad batteries because if you don't completely discharge them BEFORE recharging it drastically cuts their life. What happens when the battery dies? Do you throw out the wallet? Send it in for an "overhaul?"
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Jim Pace V.I.P. Portland Oregon 556 Posts |
Magic Maker,
My new wallets use lithium ion batteries. They are hardwired. They can be recharged 500 times. You will get over 300 cycles between charges. My batteries can be charged at anytime and do not have to be drained before charging. What happens when the battery wears out? Well your wallet will most likely need replacing anyway. Fire wallets just do not look good after two or three years. You would know this as your knowledge of these type of wallets seem good if not great. I have sold many dozens of wallets since 1990 behind the counter at Callin Novelties. I too have seen many styles. My wallets per se are nor true wallets though. They do not hold money unless you fold it in half. They will hold business and credit cards. A big plus with both of my new wallets is that my wicks are placed into a vinyl pouch so the wick will stay wet for a longer time dependent on your uses. I am very happy with these wallets...so far so good. BTW Thin? oh my... are mine thin... Best to all Jim Pace http://www.jimpacemagic.com
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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NexusMagicShop Elite user Sunny California 434 Posts |
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On 2010-01-30 19:09, elimagic wrote: I have a soft leather premium edition I love it. High quality! More of a limited edition premium edition.
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algebraic Inner circle 1008 Posts |
TheMagicMaker, thank you for your post about Peter Austin's "Fusion of Fire 21st Century Fire Wallet". I recently visited Peter's site and looked into his fire wallet. It peeked my interest, so I ordered one.
I received a tin, approx 8"X6", which contained the fire wallet, batteries, metal tool, and an instructional cd. The beautiful bifold wallet looks like a normal wallet. It has a window for your driver's license, three credit card slots, and of course, a place for your money. The fire wallet is very easily operated by the push of a button and EXTREMELY well designed. Parts are very easily replaced(batteries,wick) with an included tool to do the work. Magnets hold everything in place and everything looks normal. The instructional cd was very informative. Peter walks you thru his wallet, how it functions, areas of improvement over other fire wallets(there are many), and his handling of the wallet. I was extremely impressed and excited to ALSO receive Peter's "Flaming Credit Card" cunningly installed within the wallet. WOW! Peter Austin's "Fusion of Fire 21st Century Fire Wallet" is hands down my favorite fire wallet. I have three different fire wallets which I like,(I've also thrown away two poorly designed fire wallets), but each has it's faults. Peter has brought the fire wallet to the 21st century!! This is an unbelievable value! I can't recommend this fire wallet any higher!! |
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TheMagicMaker New user 64 Posts |
Dear Mr. Pace,
I must say that I am impressed with your wallet using a lithium type battery, that is definitely smart thinking. I'm guessing you have done extensive testing to back up your claim of 500 charges and 300 "cycles" (which I'm assuming you mean ignitions)which works out to be 150,000 burns. Wow, I'm not sure I've come even close to that many ignitions even in my almost 20 years of using many fire wallets! That is very impressive. So theoretically, your wallet should literally last a lifetime, if what you're saying is accurate. I'd imagine though, that the wick would have to be replaced many times during that 150,000 ignitions. Other than your demo video, I have not see your wallet personally so I'm not sure how easily replaced your wicks are, but I'm pretty sure they would not withstand 150,000 ignitions without being changed. Am I wrong? As for your wallet being "thin", again, I've never held one in my hands but I did watch your demo many times and I wonder if you mean "small" rather than "thin." Based on your design, although your battery and workings are covered, its pretty clear to me what the "thickness" would be considering what is being "folded" together when both halves of the wallet come together. With all due respect, I have seen much thicker wallets, but yours is definitely not the thinnest on the market. I'm glad you mentioned the part about not being able to put money in the wallet. To me, one of the BEST things about a fire wallet is the fact that your audience's first thought is "OMG THE MONEY!" Of course I'm old school and I guess in an new age of credit cards, cash is slowly becoming a thing of the past. Nevertheless, personally, I think a fire wallet should be able to hold cash as well as credit cards, otherwise what is the reason for your wallet to catch fire? As for your wicks (actually there is only one)I'm not quite sure what you mean by they are "placed into a vinyl pouch." Isn't vinyl a type of plastic? I think of vinyl records or vinyl film when I hear the word "vinyl." I've double checked your video and the wick looks pretty normal to me. Do you mean there is vinyl behind the wick to help slow down the lighter fluid's evaporation? I'm a bit confused on your vinyl pouch comment. Again Mr. pace, with all due respect, although I'm sure your wallet functions very well, there are still features about it that I have to question. Things like, what do I do if I get to my gig and my wallet is dead because I forgot to charge it? I don't have time to plug it in (this is considering if I even remembered to bring the charger)and recharge it. I guess this is just me playing the Devil's advocate, and as unlikely as you will say it is, we all know that these things always seem to happen when you're getting ready to perform. My other concern is why only one wick? I'm not sure I understand the logic behind that. Shouldn't BOTH sides of the wallet catch fire? I'm sorry, no disrespect intended, but again I am old school, in almost 20 years I've used a fire wallet I've never seen one that only catches fire on one side. How do you constitute a "volcano" with only one very small wick to produce the fire? Lastly, I have to wonder about the ignition switch or button. It is is PUSH button and judging by your video, seems to be a relatively easy push. What stops this button from being "pushed" accidentally while in someone's pocket? I just have to wonder... I know more than likely it would probably not (hopefully) ignite into flames since the wallet would be closed, but I'm pretty certain if the wire filament or coil heats up too long it will burn out. Then the wallet would no longer work. Again Mr. Pace, please don't misconstrue my questions and observations as an attack, rather than just a fairly weathered magician with (as you mentioned)"great" knowledge on fire wallets made in the last few decades. Have you seen or heard of Peter Austin's "Fusion of Fire?" After hours of research on fire wallets this is the ONLY fire wallet I have decided to purchase and Mr. Austin addresses and resolves ALL of the issues and problems I've had with any fire wallet I've ever owned. It is so logically made and incorporates "outside of the box" thinking, not to mention innovations and additions that truly make it a "21st Century Fire Wallet." How awesome is it that not only does your wallet catch on fire but then you can produce a credit card that also explodes into flames? This, in my opinion, is innovative thinking. Again, nothing personal, but if I'm going to spend over $100 on a fire wallet (I paid $99 plus shipping for Mr. Austin's)it would have to be pretty incredible. His wallet goes beyond incredible.... I'm just glad that there are still people out there who feel giving someone MORE than they paid for is the best way to to get customer satisfaction. I have no problem with your wallet and I'm sure it is a fine product, but perhaps you can rethink a few concepts and use Mr. Austin's wallet as an inspiration to making a better, more innovative product for the future. |
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TheMagicMaker New user 64 Posts |
Dear algebraic,
Wow, I'm sorry, I didn't even notice your post above my last one and just happened to see it now. You are more than welcome for the information. I too was just as amazed when I received my wallet from Peter Austin and couldn't believe how much work and though must have gone into it. I must admit I was a bit skeptical at first after reading his ad copy and all the BIG claims he was making; but you know what, after having the wallet in my hands, using it now for over 4 months (just about everyday)I can truly say that his BIG claims were actually an UNDERSTATEMENT. It is quite obvious to me that Mr. Austin takes his work very seriously and with out a doubt knows the value of giving his customers EVERY PENNY'S WORTH of their hard earned money. I have purchased MANY fire wallets over the last 2 decades and this is LITERALLY THE BEST Fire Wallet I have ever seen! I'm so GLAD you took my advice and purchased one for yourself! At least now I am not alone in my praise of this great new product... My hat is off to you sir! |
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TheMagicMaker New user 64 Posts |
Jim... I did some research on Li-poly(ion) batteries and this is what I found... Is this something to be concerned with?
* CAUTION: when working with Li-ion cells, they are very sensitive to charging characteristics and may explode if mis-handled. * User should have enough knowledge on Li-Ion rechargeable batteries in charging, discharging and assembly before use. * We are not responsible for any damage caused by misuse or mishandling of these Li-Ion batteries * Don't leave battery unattended during charging * Don't put battery on wood surface or carpet or near flammable materials during charging |
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Tronzo502 New user 1 Post |
Recently, based on comments posted here, I purchased Peter Austin's "Fusion of Fire" fire wallet. I am absolutely knocked out! It is exactly as advertised; ingenious design, great quality, and excellent support and instruction materials. I understand that he is about to add an additional element to an already outstanding effect. Peter is a serious thinker and craftsman,and takes a lot of pride in his work. As far as his product claims and hyperbole, as the great philosopher Dizzy Dean pointed out "It ain't braggin' if you can do it."
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TheMagicMaker New user 64 Posts |
Hey everyone... I just though some of you might be interested in knowing that Peter Austin just released his new line of "21st Century Fire Wallets." They're pretty amazing! One of them is a new electronic "Flaming Business card" wallet that works differently than all the others.. I've already ordered mine...You should check them out!
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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
I'm not a huge fan of electrical ignition wallets so I'm goona order the the flint ignition ( Fire blaze) wallet. Im pretty excited because for a fire wallet to be as thin and as normal looking as this, well they look like the best. Even better than the Viking fire wallet. My orders in, thanks magicmaker for telling us (me) about Mr austins wallets.
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Jim Pace V.I.P. Portland Oregon 556 Posts |
Magic Maker,
I would like to address just a couple of issues with your observation of my Volcano wallet. I have to agree and disagree with some statements. You said: "...theoretically, your wallet should literally last a lifetime," ---Well the wallets life time for sure. I do not know of any magician who manages to keep a fire wallet in his working arsenal for more than three years, They just get ugly. Regarding my thin wallet You said: " I did watch your demo many times and I wonder if you mean "small" rather than "thin." ---My wallet folded is 5/16 of an inch thick. That is pretty thin. I never said to our readers that my wallet was the thinnest on the market even though you implied such. You said: " With all due respect, I have seen much thicker wallets, but yours is definitely not the thinnest on the market. " You said: "As for your wicks (actually there is only one)I'm not quite sure what you mean by they are "placed into a vinyl pouch" ---What I mean is that the wick(s)are placed inside a vinyl pouch/pocket. Again you are kind of implying without seeing... that vinyl is something bad ( read the entire statement above ). It simply allows the fuel to last longer in the wallet. All of my wallets have had them since I developed Hot Leads. ---BTW my Lucifer's wallet has two wicks but for the record it is only because I had the room to do so. Personally I do not think our spectators really believe that it matters if there are two flame sources. They think " Fire what the heck?" If you asked a spectator what they saw after the magician did his " Thing " they would remember just the fire and NOT how many flames, nor if the money was indeed burning. You said: ..."what do I do if I get to my gig and my wallet is dead because I forgot to charge it? I don't have time to plug it in..." ---Well, you just don't do it. That should not take you out of your game. Really? We are supposed to be pros and part of that is... remembering to do the things that make your shows go smoothly.If you have an off night then do some other magic...it is actually good for you to think out of your comfort zone. ---You asked if I have the wallet. No...but I have one friend that does and he showed me the credit card gimmick. It was very well designed. As far as the switch on my wallet? Well... it is recessed so there are no malfunctions. Besides these wallets are not carried in the back pocket. The shirt or front pocket are just fine. You asked about my concern for the Li ion battery... Should we worry about our cell phone batteries/ chargers? My batteries are Ul approved and use the proper chargers. They are only dangerous if misused. ---I would like the readers to know that I am only replying to some thoughts to what Magic Maker felt are concerns. Without seeing my wallet one can only guess at the workings and sometimes we can get the wrong ideas by they way they have been phrased. With much respect for all of you... Jim
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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sieler New user Cupertino, CA 63 Posts |
Jim,
Thanks for a very nice post, answering many of the points MagicMaker brought up. |
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TheMagicMaker New user 64 Posts |
Hey Everybody!
Just a quick note... For those of you who are interested, Peter has finally put up a demo video for his new Business Card Inferno. You can see it on his website's homepage or on youtube. http://www.peteraustinmagic.net if you don't already have his website address Once again he has TOTALLY AMAZED ME! I don't know how he did it but this new item is just AWESOME! I already put my order in! Check it out! The MagicMaker PS I heard he should have one up for the "TRILOGY OF FIRE" in the next day or two.. now that's one I want to see! |
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Jim Pace V.I.P. Portland Oregon 556 Posts |
Other than the wallet...
How is this different than my Hot Leads? Looks like the same same effect...just a different wallet. Nice though. Jim
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
Mr pace, did you create the effect of the flaming business card, or simply realease you version with your gimmick of the effect? I am just asking because I do not know.
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TheMagicMaker New user 64 Posts |
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On 2010-04-01 17:55, Jim Pace wrote: To answer your question Jim, I just got my "Business Card Inferno" from Peter Austin yesterday and again, with all due respect, this wallet is TOTALLY unlike your Hot Leads in just about ever detail that I can see. Other than catching the business card on fire I see absolutely no similarities what so ever. Peter's new ignition system is SO amazingly thought out and so accurate that I had to see it in my hands to believe it. Once again I was amazed at Peter's innovation. Have you had a chance to see his demo video? He ignites 4 cards, one right after the other, with no delay or hesitation. Can your hot leads do that?? Also, it doesn't require flash paper or flash cotton to work. His also works with as many as 6 cards, (as opposed to your 3) uses a totally different battery/power system and uses a totally normal, everyday wallet which is (to the eyes) totally unmodified or changed from its original state. Yes, some of your products and his products are similar, don't you both also sell your own versions of a fire wallet? Whose effect was that originally?? Did you see his newest addition to the line? He calls it "Duality of Fire" and it is such another great idea! It is the combination of his electronic Fire Wallet (Electro-Blaze) together with his new Flaming Business Card effect (Business Card Inferno) that makes this one of the smartest Fire Wallet Effects I've ever seen. What a GREAT way to hand out your business card! First get everyone's attention with your wallet on fire, then hand out flaming business cards, one right after the other. Imagine all the gigs you'd get with a wallet that has BOTH effects ingeniously built into one wallet. You've got to give credit where credit is due Jim... Peter has really come up with some pretty amazing and innovative effects. I can definitely see how some people might be jealous of him... |
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elimagic Inner circle 1663 Posts |
Uh oh, I sense a faulter in the force lol
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Jim Pace V.I.P. Portland Oregon 556 Posts |
Mr pace, did you create the effect of the flaming business card, or simply realease you version with your gimmick of the effect? I am just asking because I do not know....
My friend Brent Coggins created the effect using a business card and his Fire wallet. He had a very unique approach and we discussed my method for delivering the cards over and over without the fuel evaporating. Before my method Brent had to soak his card using the fire wallet and then light it just before each production. This was about 14 years ago. Brent was using his method prior to that. magic maker..you wrote: Other than catching the business card on fire I see absolutely no similarities what so ever. exactly....no body in 14 years ever had a delivery system for igniting business cards. Nobody before Brent Coggins had ever used a business card on fire as a production.I have many Top names to prove this. With over 70 years of history they cannot ever remember another effect that was like Brent's. His wallet is nice...I thought I had said that. Jealous? please,... you seem older from your avatar. Facts are facts... To all who read this My Hot Leads was the first ever delivery system for igniting a business card on fire. Prove me wrong...please Brent Coggins was the first ever to ignite a business card on fire using a fuel source that evaporates. Brent gave me his permission to sell my version and to my knowledge to nobody else. I made several attempts to reach Brent before I did anything with my Hot Leads. Nobody has contacted me to use my system ( using a business card as a wick )ever. Next you will see that the copy cat will use a vinyl pouch to keep the cards wet until needed. ( Also MY idea and never used before) Readers, please this is the work of a greedy mind. It was taken without permission. And that should be enough to judge the character of the maker and the friends that help promote this tripe. His wallets are really nice and yes well thought out but because of that does he have the right to take my idea and place it in his wallet? I mean I am not even dead... I want to like the guy...really, I can only hope that You...the readers will judge for yourself and be kind to original ideas. "The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow.."- Lao Tzu
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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