Anyone use this fake? I am thinking of using this as a comedy production and vanish. Will it appear real for a few moments when produced? I plan to then fold it up slowly in full view then vanish using a p**l with a few stray feathers left in hand. Thanks in advance for any replies,( not a real dove worker ) Manal

Personally I think the Owen Version for US$75.00 looks more real (the best!)...Norm's version not bad...you can try Viking's version at US$25.00.

I use it for a comedy appearance. Tony Clark actually uses a half Neilson Latex Dove for a toss vanish to to a Phantom of the Opera mask. Just use you finger or thumb to simulate movement. See Tony Clarks' DVD Unmasks II.

James Adamson
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I use it in my production bird cage at the end of my dove act. It's only in view for about 10 seconds, but after working with birds during the act, it passes off as real very effectively.

Yes, the Neilsen definitely passes for a real dove for a few moments... but as Dave Scribner states, if the audience has seen you produce a few before the rubber one, it will pass for a real one even more.

Thank you all for the helpfull and courteous replies.

manal

If you are going for comedy, it does not matter if it looks real or not. They will enjoy the idea of the effect.

True it is best to introduce a real bird prior to the latex one, as this will cause the audience to wonder, plus it give a moment for the audience to think you simply reproduced the dove in some unique manner.

Manual

The idea of using a real bird first is great but you also have the option of working it backwards. If you do a fake bird first and do the "harmful vanish" for a laugh then produce real birds later, you can turn the first vanish in to a "running gag". Now when a bird appears the audiance is wondering what will happen. If you milk the suspence and then do harmless vanishes or what ever the audiance will start to feel some tension and release in you act.

Eric Redman

For comedy Later Dove production, look at Peter Gross's web page and you will find a funny video of his routine. Also agree with wmhegbli advice.

I use the Neilson Latex, to make a dove vanish, the dove gets switch to the Neilson and put into a paper bag, and when I point the bag down a feather drops out then I crush the bag,
And the faces on the audience, well lots of jaws drop.

One of my favorite dove vanish.


Maro

Careful with this one,
or you will inevitably have the
Animal Rights Wacko's after you!

=Frank=

Right on! IN Tony Clark's Unmasks II, he instructs that you should make it seem that the dove has vanished before crushing the bag... If you do not do that, they may need to call Animal Crueulty! :-P

-Vinnie

If you crush the bag and drop the feather at the same time, then you may have a concerned audience. Turning the bad upside down first and allowing the feather to drop, looking at the bag in surprise and then crushing it should not raise any eyebrows even from the animal activists. It's all in the presentation.

Does anyone know if you can learn how the amazing jonathan chopped that dove up in the champions of magic 3 special?

Turn the bag upside down, let the feather drop, crush the bag SLOWLY into a ball, shouldn't be as disturbing to the animal activists.

Who cares what the animal activists think? It isn't real.

I used these over the years, and usually the eye falls out first. I fill it in with a marker.

But, the Nielsen is the best.

Combining ideas from Dave and Neznarf:

Turn the bag upside down first, allowing the eye to drop out. Then, look at the bag in surprise before crushing it. This should not raise any eyebrows, even from the animal activists. It's all in the presentation.

:nod: