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Chris "linkster" Watson
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What gaffless routines do you perform that are percieved by the audience to be moveless?
Does the lack of percieved moves make for greater reactions from the audience?

The two that spring to mind for me are hopping halves and Charming Chinese Challenge where in both routines the magic just seems to happen and all the movements seem natural (ie not magician like/ don't scream move!)
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Well, Hopping Halves isn't gaffless, so I'll just add that I've been having great response to Presto-chango from Bobo...
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Moveless?

as in direct and/or no unmotivated fussing with the props?
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"Moveless? as in direct and/or no unmotivated fussing with the props?"

That's what I was trying to get at, Nicely put!

Hi rutabaga, Sorry should have mentioned I was referring to a gaffless version I use not the gimmicked one.

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That's been my goal in magic for about twenty five years now; to seperate my "mundane" actions from those which cause or "react to" magical events.
And suddenly I feel old. lol
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On 2006-01-29 18:51, rutabaga wrote:
Well, Hopping Halves isn't gaffless, so I'll just add that I've been having great response to Presto-chango from Bobo...


Odd. The version of Presto Chango in my copy of Bobo's is gaffed. Do you have the Ellusionist edition of Bobo's?

:)

And in answer to your question Chris... most of them.
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Sorry wsduncan, I had assumed the gaffed version... and apologies to Chris also. My newby-ness is showing! Your Ellusionist quip is great - I think it would be fun to come up with other Ellusionist versions of classics.... any takers?
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At a guess, the reference to hopping halves got folks thinking about gaffs. Using gaffs for ccc is also a good idea if you want to avoid fussing with the ribbon or cord.
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Chris, just checked out your gaffless HH - whew. CP>CP switch, Goshman... it's the Johnson product for me for a while! However, your routine is very inspiring, thanks for posting!
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Hi Rutabaga,

Thanks, I have been playing with the handling slightly recently and am using the Demanche change instead of the palm to palm transfer (Just a bit easier, especially when you have sweaty palms) but instead of ending up in display position I slide the coin along the back of my fingres and into Goshman/ Tenkai pinch. You could do the load from 2nd finger and thumb too which would cut out Goshman/ Tenkai move.

Jonathan you old man you Smile What routine of yours do you feel best accomplishes this endeavour?

Hi wsduncan, I'd love the Elusionist version of Bobo's so I could learn the whole book in abot 20 minutes...at least that's what the advertising told me Smile

Any specific tricks that have served you well and fit the opening criterea?

Regards

Chris
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Hands down for Al Schneider's Classic Matrix. Learn it EXACTLY the way he describes it and you have what you are looking for. I've been doing it for about 200 times in 3 days during a tradeshow in Hong Kong and the reactions are outstanding.

Something on the other end of the spectrum could be Wayne Dobson's Coinflux. It is gaffed to the hilt but man, does it look good and absolutely effortless.
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Thanks Dan...I'll check those out.

It's about time I learned a matrix routine and it may as well be the origional!

What is the effect of Coinflux?
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3 coins, covered by 3 cards. They assemble without ANY visible sleight of hand.
I bought this from Wayne at last FISM. I knew I would never use it professionally but I was in awe of his creation. I wanted my wife to learn this just if we're around some fingerflicking company, so she can kick their *%$$. It's that good!
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Cool...I'll check that out...are you on commission? Smile
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Not at all, but hey, you're from the UK. Try to find Wayne dobson demonstrate it for you...
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Any effect you perform should strive to make it look effortless...moveless, that's why it's called Magic. The only time you should do something that looks like a move is when doing a sucker move or routine...in which case be careful not to make asses out of your audience!

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I'd agree with you Mike however even with some top notch coin guy's I frequently see some fairly big "tells".

Perhaps I should re-phrase the question to. What routine would you recommend someone to study in order to see an effortless...moveless routine and learn from it?
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Study John Carney doing Ramsay's Coins and Cylinder, Or David Roth doing his classics such as the portable hole or the Tuning Fork...study Rune Klan doing just about anything he does! All highly technical routines but when done by these guys...no tell-tale of any moves...looks just like pure magic! Most anything by Al Schneider or Shiego Futagawa...so effortless pure poetry!

Mike
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I don't do anything natural right now, still practicing hard. My moves fly by my spectators though. I guess a simple yet magical thing to do would be a well executed tabled coins across using hidden transfers, convincing click passes where hands don't touch each other.
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