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chichi711
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Slim, you really think that JREF turns borderline criminals into criminals?
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Say - magicians HELPING magicians...

Personally, I find emotionally charged e-exchanges really not great in public or private - even with emoticons!


Also - if you do post on a public forum - you can't expect anyone to keep out of it - hence why its a public forum.... Smile...lookee - I jumped in too... no doubt in real life if I tried to act as peackeeper I might not be able to pick up my teeth with my broken arms.... Smile


I am RVing that some admin person will come and close this thread if it degenrates further....

Unless they like bread and circuses....
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For the record I'm with Danny. It's what becomes of being a JREF member, we tend to ask for evidence of claims!
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readers use c+++ r++++++ that is how palmistry is done tarrot cards and so on.


That's a good one Danny. You almost had me there for a second.

Thank you for the laugh.

Carry on...
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On 2006-02-08 17:36, Jim Reynolds wrote:
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readers use c+++ r++++++ that is how palmistry is done tarrot cards and so on.


That's a good one Danny. You almost had me there for a second.

Thank you for the laugh.

Carry on...



Are you saying its not?
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Is so


Posted: Feb 8, 2006 5:54pm
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I find the article in question to be a bit loaded, and some key information is omitted.

The writer assumes that creative people like Arthur C. Clarke and Brian Josephson cannot be challenged in their non-scientific beliefs.

Yes, Arthur C. Clarke is a scientist who put forth the concept of communications satellites and who wrote 2001 a Space Odyssey. But Arthur C. Clarke also has a fascination with "the unexplained" (he even hosted a TV series of mysterious phenomena). Arthur made predictions in 1997 that Cold Fusion was a real done deal. Cold Fusion turned out to be a hoax. Because he is revered, does that mean his statements regarding "free energy" cannot be challenged?

Brian Josephson invented the "Josephson Junction", which in turn lead to the creation of Superconducting Quantum Interference Devices (SQUIDS). His work has had profound impacts on medical imaging and supercomputing technology. But his later views have concerned the possibility of quantum physics explaining telepathy, and he has put forth other theorys not based in science, but based upon paranormal conjectures. Does the fact that his early work was based on real scientific methods mean that now his paranormal theories are beyond criticism?

I have the highest respect for Arthur and Brian, but when they veer into metaphysics and/or fall in with hucksters, I believe that inquiry, (even dogged inquiry from Randi), is healthy and necessary.



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I believe the series was called Arthur C Clarks Mysterious Universe was it not?

I loved that show.
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On 2006-02-10 17:28, Dannydoyle wrote:
I believe the series was called Arthur C Clarks Mysterious Universe was it not?

I loved that show.


It's over Danny. It's over. Chill. x
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Also, just fyi:

I hope my post above regarding the article (specifically the Arthur C. Clarke/Brian Josephson citations), doesn't automatically put me into an "anti-mentalist" camp.

I love effective Psychic Entertainers. I enjoy the work of Banachek, Alain Nu, Derren Brown, Jeff & Tessa, Richard Osterlind, etc. A really good mentalist can be extremely magical, baffling, and yes, even inspiring.

What I have problems with are "Psychics" who cross the line and bilk bread money out of uninformed, superstitious, or vulnerable people for various "cures" (like Uri Geller). To me, there is little difference between Uri and those faith healing flim-flam artists who wear wireless earphones.

But there is a difference between those faith healers and, say, The Amazing Kreskin.

I don't think there is any gray area either. One is a con artist (seeks out "marks" to sucker), the other is a psychic entertainer (paid to entertain).

Just my opinion, mind you.


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Pasq leave me alone ok?

Either stop reading or get over whatever problem you have but stop it.

All I said was I loved the Arthur C Clarke show and you have a problem.

PM me so I can ignore you properly, but stop being a pain.
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What I have problems with are "Psychics" who cross the line and bilk bread money out of uninformed, superstitious, or vulnerable people for various "cures" (like Uri Geller). To me, there is little difference between Uri and those faith healing flim-flam artists who wear wireless earphones.

But there is a difference between those faith healers and, say, The Amazing Kreskin.

I don't think there is any gray area either. One is a con artist (seeks out "marks" to sucker), the other is a psychic entertainer (paid to entertain).

And since there is no gray area with you, would someone who reads Tarot cards be a con artist as well?
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1) Either there is such a thing as 'psi' or there isn't.

2) I personally believe that there is (just to step of the fence).

3) However, there is absolutely no point whatsoever in arguing the case for or against it in a chatroom. It is simply a total waste of time as all past debates have always shown.

4) It has always amazed me how some people who evidently do not demonstrate any psychic powers themselves, feel the need to 'insist' that there is no such thing. To me it kinda' sounds like: "If I ain't got it it simply cannot exist". Many of them say they're not interested whilst seemingly spend most of their waking time talking/writing about it.

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This seems like a good spot for this essay.
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I just watched Penn and Teller Bulls***. It was talking about "psychics" I don't know how many of you have seen it, but it was interesting. They never gave away one secret in regards to magicians. They only talked about what Hot and Cold reading is. But they made the point very clear that it is a scam and they are stealing peoples money. Good for mankind and also not a bad thing for magicians. If anything I liked it because it seperates me from scam artists.
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Hi Jim,

If a Tarot reading fortune teller is hired by, say a festival to entertain the guests, then (to me) that is entertainment.

If a Tarot reading fortune teller is scamming people by claiming that there is a curse on them, and that only expensive counter-charms can fix everything, then that fortune teller is a con artist.

Some grifters toss 3-card monte, and some use Tarot cards.

Douglas M.
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Douglas:
That is a definition I can live with! (One I also support.)

Tony
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On 2006-02-12 23:45, Douglas.M wrote:
If a Tarot reading fortune teller is scamming people by claiming that there is a curse on them, and that only expensive counter-charms can fix everything, then that fortune teller is a con artist.
Douglas M.


Unless of course curses exsist, which would suggest that counter curses exist also.
Now if the lawyer charges you $500 to get off with the speeding charge shouldn't the 'counter-curse expert' charge 'at least' accordingly for stopping you from contracting a strange testicular disease?
That being the case, I'm sure you'd agree that that would make it ok, yeah?
I think it's time for us to attack the lawyers, of whom I hear Randi's brother n' law is one. No... seriously! You see what these guys are up to?
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Do we have an update on Randi's health?
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He is in stable but guarded condition. He remains sedated, but is off of other medications. He is being weaned off the ventilator by his doctors.

Doctors hope for a full recovery, but expect it will be slow going.

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