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Ian Broadmore Special user 555 Posts |
There is an interesting article on James Randi here: rense.com
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J ack Galloway Inner circle 1309 Posts |
Well it looks like I have a bit of company.
Even Ray Hyman, of CSICOP thinks the JREF is rigged. Ian you made my day thanks for the link. http://www.rense.com/general69/randi.htm Jack H.12/O.17 A-X |
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Ian Broadmore Special user 555 Posts |
Your welcome!
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
Ray Hyman thinks that the Randi challenge is rigged. That's funny. Forget the psychic stuff. Comedy is your forte. Ray will get a kick out of all this.
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
Funny, when I talked to Mr. Hyman two days ago at Randi's conference, he didn't mention that to me. I wish this had been posted before then, as I would surely have asked him.
PS -- Todd Robbins, in addition to being an outstanding magician, is also a fine auctioneer.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
Quinn,
Don't trust those skeptics. They believe in that rational thinking stuff. It's very overated and not needed these days. Rev. T.L. Robbins |
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
Rev. Robbins, I object to your obvious use of humor, which is in direct violation of the Codes and Creeds of Embittered, Joyless Skeptics. I intend to report your insubordinate behavior to your local chapter at once.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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J ack Galloway Inner circle 1309 Posts |
Todd and Quinn,
I did not write the article I was but commenting on it. Are you inferring that the article is incorrect or a fabrication? Could it be the skeptic in question holds the same skeptical belief I do? Jack H.12/O.17 A-X |
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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
From the JREF forums:
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For those who believe Randi's test to be bogus: Why not take the challenge, follow the rules, and document it every step of the way. Then demonstrate your paranormal power under test conditions to another independent party. Publish your evidence that you have the paranormal power, and the evidence that Randi's challenge is bogus. I would urge anyone to do this. Randi will be discredited, and you will make headlines with proof of paranormal power. |
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J ack Galloway Inner circle 1309 Posts |
Or do as I have and set up your own challenge to prove your point.
(If Randi can we all can. And I am using my own cash.) Jack H.12/O.17 A-X |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Sorry Jack, I cannot do what Randi does. I'm still performing, and some people like me... When I get to the point that I cannot perform, maybe I'll think about exploiting people who do what I used to do. Maybe not. <G>
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Joshua Quinn Inner circle with an outer triangle 2054 Posts |
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On 2006-01-31 15:13, J ack Galloway wrote: I was inferring, and now I'm saying outright, that I believe that the statement, "Even Ray Hyman, of CSICOP thinks the JREF is rigged," is, in all likelihood, about as wrong as it could be. I'll also add that I believe the article is chock full of statements that are about as wrong as they could be. And much as I would love to hang around and engage in hours of pointless pedantry over the matter, I've got to go write to my new friend Dr. Murray Gell-Mann, Nobel Laureate in Physics, who I stumped with an impossible object I created.
Every problem contains the seeds of its own solution. Unfortunately every problem also contains the seeds of an infinite number of non-solutions, so that first part really isn't super helpful.
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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
Can someone cite a source where Hyman calls Rand's challenge "rigged"? I'd like to find out whether he actually said that or not.
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JackScratch Inner circle 2151 Posts |
You do all understand that it is impossible to prove non existance. Don't you?
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J ack Galloway Inner circle 1309 Posts |
Tony,
My challenge is to Randi. Jim, Follow the link up the page a bit. Quinn, Tell Murray I said hello. Jack H.12/O.17 A-X |
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Todd Robbins V.I.P. New York 2922 Posts |
J ack/Jim,
I went to the JREF page and read Randi's response. I am outraged at what he wrote. How dare he refer to what you as trying to do as a "carnival approach". That is such an insult to carnivals. Thank you for putting that on your website. I will let Randi know of my displeasure. I am sending negative thoughts right now. |
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jimtron Inner circle 2039 Posts |
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Jim, I found the page. I didn't find: 1) a direct quote where Hyman called Randi's challenge "rigged." 2) The source of the Hyman quotes about Randi. -Jim |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Jack: I think you've mis-read the original story. The Writer used a deceptive dodge, at one point quoting Hyman in quotation marks, and then in the same paragraph using the term "rigged" in quotation marks, although not directly quoting Hyman.
The inference is that both quotes come from Hyman, which they do not. - entity
email: tomebaxter@icloud.com
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J ack Galloway Inner circle 1309 Posts |
Entity,
Thanks for the correction. However I still hold with my thoughts on the guy. Todd, is right to be upset. Heck he should be. Jack H.12/O.17 A-X |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I was about to point out the same thing, thanks entity.
BUT J ack I enjoy the way you set up your own test, then pass it, and claim it as some sort of paranormal anything. come on man according to those rules I could set up my own rules, become the heavyweight boxing champion of the world and claim validity to the title. Come on it has no merit other than entertainment my friend, please stop trying to use it as some sort of proof. J ack you will make far more headlines really doing paranormal things, rather than duplicating them!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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