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Is there any place in the U.S. to get your book Kennedy?
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Has anyone noticed how RIVARDJLR looks a little bit like Nicholas Parsons?
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Who is Nicholas Parsons ??? My culture is mostly ...French.


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On 2006-02-11 20:16, Snail wrote:
Has anyone noticed how RIVARDJLR looks a little bit like Nicholas Parsons?
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Nicholas Parsons is a gay radio presenter in the UK. Formerly on television he now presents a panel show entitled 'Just a Minute' on Radio4.
I think it was Salsa Dancer who informed me that Snail used to be friendly with Nicholas Parsons and... well, misses him.
And yes, you do resemble him. You're a very good looking young man Rivardjlr. Please don't think it's gone unoticed.

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Kennedy - be a bit more careful
Andrew R. - go away
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RIVARDJLR

Here's a link to http://www.online-visions.com which includes one of Kennedy's effects called Open Transmission.

http://www.online-visions.com/effects/0505kennedy.html

I understand that this is one of the effects included in his book 'Thoughts So Far'.

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I make valid points the insults are hurled at me first so naturally I defend myself and my views which incidentally I have had over 50 pm's from guys who totally agree with me. Such a shame they can't be as open as me. That's politics I guess.

I am more than happy to meet any of you for a polite discussion on my views.
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Just my thoughts,
I know kennedy only from sending mails and chatting on yahoo, but what I can say
is that he is a great thinker in our art, he is a very smart and friendly person.

btw ANDREW, he sounds also very professional on the bbc interview.

would like to hear you in and interview too or maybe you write a book sometimes so we can judge about you too?

I think people like osterlind and others will not be wrong to say such good words about kennedy.

sorry its hard to explain it in english for me what I mean but im sure you understand.

maybe its some peoples confession to make others bad?

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That is your opinion Mario. Andrew has his. Agree to disagree.
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Does anyone have some very specific points they want to make about the book? I have it but am going to take some more time to digest it before commenting.

I have never even met Nicholas Parsons. He is a celebrity.

My vote for good looking also goes to Annabelle.
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Mario writes :

Just my thoughts,
I know kennedy only from sending mails and chatting on yahoo, but what I can say
is that he is a great thinker in our art, he is a very smart and friendly person.

[JLD : Has anyone expressed a different point of view? ]

btw ANDREW, he sounds also very professional on the bbc interview.

[JLD:Great! Any reason why this comment is addressed to Andrew?]

would like to hear you in and interview too or maybe you write a book sometimes so we can judge about you too?

[JLD : Why? Why can't you just judge the points/facts/opinions expressed by Andrew in this forum? Why does someone's opinion only count if he has written a book? Andrew expressed his views regarding Kennedy's book, backed by what he believes to be facts. Whether Andrew has written a book of his own is completely irrelevant.]

I think people like osterlind and others will not be wrong to say such good words about kennedy.

[JLD: I certainly would be interested in hearing what Mr Osterlind sees as an "original twist of his (Kennedy's) own" to the effect called sympathy on pg. 199. To me it looks identical to Barrie Richardson's Any card at any number from Theatre of the Mind].

sorry its hard to explain it in english for me what I mean but im sure you understand.

[I believe I do understand. However, if there is miscommunication because of language barrier, my apologies...]

maybe its some peoples confession to make others bad?

[Or maybe some people like to keep dialogue which is as fair as possible.

[Again, my only goal here is to encourage people to give honest opinions/reviews about products available to the community. Too often in the Caf, if someone expresses some honest reservations, that person gets flamed. Before I buy something I always read the reviews posted here. As such, I appreciate to read honest opinions that go against the grain... I believe that was Andrew's intentions here...]

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This has been an absolutely fascinating discussion.
If anything, I think that Andrew is being too soft on Kennedy. There is a word for taking other peoples creative works and presenting them as your own. Plagiarism.
I really don't understand why magicians so happily allow such blatant theft. Andrew makes some excellent points. It's simply not good enough to claim "I didn't know such-and-such an effect." Can you imagine a songwriter submitting a song which is identical to "Imagine" claiming that he hadn't heard the original and that his song should be published. He'd be laughed out of the PRS. Same for an author, a designer: any art form whose participants show respect for one another.
But these days, respect doesn't seem to come into it. I saw Derren Brown at the International Lecture in 1999 and was 'blown away' because I knew I was seeing the art form taken to new heights by some truly clever additions to existing methods (not to mention the best card-handing I had ever seen). When he told me afterwards that he was about to do a TV show I had a feeling we were about to witness the most exciting thing to happen to mentalism since Geller and Canasta. Little did I know that the stunning performance I saw that night would give birth to a whole generation of mini-Derrens whose entire philosophy is built on ever more absurd simplifications of old techniques in order to achieve their own "pure effects".(Kennedy's design dupe is a perfect example.God save us from any more dual-reality effects that fall apart as soon as the specs talk to one another.)
It really is interesting to read the old classics, and how thoroughly they credit their fellows. What a shame the new generation are so keen to become online heroes that they show zero respect for those who went before them.
Reading Kennedy's evasive replies it is clear he is a clever chap, but clearly he doesn't have enough education to admit when he's in the wrong.
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You mean any new book written is a plagiat of annemann, corinda, dunninger, mann
etc........... ?
im a musician too, in music you have just 12 different notes to compose your music.
in mentalism and magic its the same, there are no new notes to discover, or at least very few.
its what you make from what there is to use.
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In academia one credits many sources in a paper - but the key is the paper being produced adds something new/unique/etc. to the existing literature - even if it is a lit. review to sum up what is out there on a topic - then one can say this is OK - in academia if the paper is a rehash of things and a name slapped on to just geta publication - well... that isn't considered ethical...

I don't have Kennedy's book and have no opinion on it - but I thought I'd share the above criteria for academic scholary work.... in case that helps the discussion -'cuz it sounds like it revolves around if the effects produced are unqiue variations on existing effects - or great modifications - or really the same effects rewritten....

And even if it is he latter - one shouldn't make assumptions of the motivation behind it until a person gets a chance to talk about it... as they might have thought they were doing the former....
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Munger,

"im a musician too, in music you have just 12 different notes to compose your music.
in mentalism and magic its the same, there are no new notes to discover, or at least very few.
its what you make from what there is to use."

Your music analogy is interesting. I think you'll find that if you combine those twelve notes in the same sequence and with the same note values you'll be standing in front of a judge, or paying out a lot of cash to avoid standing in front of a judge. George Harrison, The Stones etc have learned this to their cost, even though they plagiarised unwittingly.
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Is there a list of effects in the book and/or a full review available?
What's up with the Poker Deal mentioned at the beginning of this thread???
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Doc has made an important point: With proper crediting, of course...the difference between a 'rehash' and a 'revisit' is that one only jumbles existing stuff, and the other adds something of value to existing work.

The key is 'adds something of value'. If Kennedy's work adds new value to existing approaches and methods, if is valid.
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On 2006-04-26 16:17, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
Doc has made an important point: With proper crediting, of course...the difference between a 'rehash' and a 'revisit' is that one only jumbles existing stuff, and the other adds something of value to existing work.

The key is 'adds something of value'. If Kennedy's work adds new value to existing approaches and methods, if is valid.


Hmmmmm..

Does that reasoning apply to the Impressionable Board that James Biss has produced?

Or are there more than one sets of standards here?
Good Thoughts.


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Nicholas Parsons is a gay radio presenter in the UK


I found this post because I've just been reading Kennedys Killers. Nicholas Parsons isn't gay (is he?) he's married to a women called Ann Reynolds.
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