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ChrisZampese
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I have never owned a metal cane before, are there more advantages than just the strength? Are they quicker? Quieter? etc. Any info would be great, as I have a routine I am developing that will require two of these, and despite learning misers dream I am still not rich!

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Jeb Sherrill
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Yes, metal canes are much stronger, quicker, and hold up better over time. Some are very quiet, and some can be heard even over the music. They are also much more expensive, (of course, and come in fewer colours. My preference has always been metal, but I do own a few fantasios, due to the colour choices I needed.

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Hi!

I have a disappearing one and unfortunately I have some problem.
It will not collapse as well as the plastic one but I think is due to the fact I have to put some oil on it.

I have a question: there is some other interesting use of the disappearing metal cane that not involve the appearing of loulard or flower? For esample is a good idea to fill the cane with confetti only?

Thank you.

Ste
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Having and using both plastic and metal canes. Here is what I have hear and discovered.
The metal cane needs to be kept clean and lightly oiled. If the cane is to tight when set, it will not vanish as fast as it could. Check the wind, this is also true for the plastic canes.
Keep all your canes(plastic/metal) clean and when set not tight, you should see an improvement in the speed and help with the sound.

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Chris,
I have used canes a lot. Metal appearing canes are much faster than their plastic cousins and are also louder & more dangerous. Since they are metal and open extremely quick, it is possible to cut yourself very easily if care is not taken. Although I have never cut myself with one, I have heard stories and can imagine the damage one could do if handled carelessly. Be careful, before you release the cane, make sure there is NOTHING in its path. Also, be aware that if released improperly, the cane can "shoot" from your hand. I should also let you know that I prefer to use metal canes.
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Hello,

Having used both as well, I prefer the metal but you need to use extreme caution in handling. The vanishing one is quite like having 50 razors flying at your hand at about 20 mph.

The appering one I have seen bust the jaw of a magician and gouge out a small hole in a spectator when it went awry.

Practice, practice, practice!!

Plastic ones I use in situations where I might be in danger of my audience being too close. I really don't like the plastic vanishing one over all.

Confetti is a nice touch with the vanishing cane (I remember Phelston Jones' version looked awsome on TV) you can use peacock feathers in both the vansihing and appearing.

I actually do a vanishing cane to appearing sword.

Finally I'm not the magician that broke his jaw or gouged an audience member, I was there in both events however. I do have a small scar on my hand from my appearing metal cane.

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RandyStewart
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The Russ Walsh appearing cane is a work of art!Invest the few extra dollars for a metal appearing/vanishing cane.
For speed and longer use and life, a metal cane works.
I no longer use canes, but still own my Russ Walsh appearing cane - nice!

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Hello !
I'm looking for Japanese appearing canes. Does anyone know where I might be able to find some ? I heard they were quiter, did not require any kind of oil and were very smooth.

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On 2002-11-28 16:19, beretta wrote:
Hello !
I'm looking for Japanese appearing canes. Does anyone know where I might be able to find some ? I heard they were quiter, did not require any kind of oil and were very smooth.

How quiet do you have to be?
I've heard similar comments that make no sense. A steel cane will make some noise - is that bad? Watch Shimada's video where he claims he has to hear the loud snap for his own satisfaction. Again, my Walsh canes are pretty quiet.
Not sure what you claim with the japanese canes creating less noise.

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In my opinion, the Japanese Harakan canes are the best when it comes to speed and silence. I have had a Harakan vanishing cane for over 20 years, never oiled it and it works as quickly and quietly and the day I bought it. It is a little heavier than Walsh canes and is also colored a deep bronze which may be a draw back for some. You are more apt to get cut with a metal vanishing cane than the appearing cane and practice will keep them from shooting out of your hands. There's also the vanishing cane in a newspaper which eliminates the possibility of cuts. I use it that way in all my kid shows. Walsh canes are also good and I've owned those as well over the years until I found the Harakans. As to fillers, confetti is a nice visual effect. It's not necessary to fill the cane all the way though. How about vanishing the cane to a piece of rope is you do rope tricks or a string of lit lights.

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Regarding Fantasio's candles: there is a David Ginn book set available. This is a three or four volume set that is very extensive and helpful. You should be able to find everything you need in these books.

You may be able to find these books thru these magic dealers: Joe Stevens Magic Emporium or Tannens Magic.
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My Walsh metal cans were bought in the early 50's and given to me in the 60's. I've still use them today, I start the show with an appearing cane then end the show with the disappearing cane and a "The End" silk.

I also own three other metal canes, a new bluish tinted one is replacing my older Walsh.I have 3 metal Appearing canes and two metal disappearing canes and five Fantasio canes, an India metal appearing wand, and a Fantasio disappearing wand. I stil go back to the metal because they are faster.

And yes, I've cut myself several times and numerous close calls where the cane opened before I had it set in position.

Fantasio book is excellent and so is McBride's Magic on Stage Vol. 3 on the dancing cane.
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How do you acquire your cane in routines? I use the common cane dropper but make some modifications to make it hold better. I am looking for some other ideas (perhaps with specialized pockets) Anyone have any success with other methods? Also what acts feature canes? Fantasio, Dimmare and Cervine are the only two I know of. I am especially interested in Dimmare's methods for stealing canes. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Hey, I am thinking about buying an appering cane, I have never before used them, and over all I think a metal one will be a better buy. I would like to use it in more of a close up situation. Are there any routins out there for more of a close up setting?


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RandyStewart
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Having used and been exposed to canes many years, It just occured to me that I've never seen the manufacturing of such.
Hmmmmmm........
Sure would be interesting to watch and learn the process.

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Scheda,
Unfortunately the appearing cane is not really a close-up trick. The coils can be easily seen and give away the method. I used to do it a few feet away and you could always see people looking at the cane as though they see the coils. That was usually folloed by someone trying to do it themselves. DO NOT LET OTHER TOUCH YOUR CANES. THEY ARE DANGEROUS. Especially the metal ones. Besides a cane is a huge prop for close up why not just do the appearing wand from purse frame??

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scheda
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I guess that appearing wand could also work. Do you know of a place where I could buy it? I've been interested in getting som eof these "appearing" things that seem impossible to just produce. Like the cane and things like that. I'm putting together a stage mentalism show. So maybe I can work the cane into it somehow. But I will defiantely look into the appearing wand from purse frame.


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Scheda,
I appearing wand from purse is a normal wand. It can be done with either a purse frame or a gimmicked purse. PM me for more details.

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scheda you shuld be abile to get a apering wand rom youre local magic dealer if not shop around on the web and even try ebay as it has been known to get some good qualty propes for v good prices
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does anyone know how expensive the japanese canes are?
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