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perlimpinpin Regular user 101 Posts |
Hey Kirk
Rocco does the stuff on the way up. He has excellent timing and misdirection. I can testify that his performance is tops. On the other hand I have tried emulating his style and it doesn't fit for me. It just goes to show how it's difficult to use somebody else's mannerisms and remain convincing. Rocco is also very creative in the way he uses s***ing. I would recommend Bob Fitch as a strong source for s***ing and top***ing moves. Best Regards Daniel PS : my wife just read over my shoulder and she asked if s***ing means "sucking" - weird. |
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Olszanski New user 53 Posts |
I have to concur that watching Rocco is a real treat. At one of his lectures, I sat amazed for 20 or 30 minutes even though I knew how things were being done. Really a treat. I haven't had the opportunity to witness to many others who sleeve, however. Bobo's does have some nice ideas. I too look for reasons to wear a sports coat!
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Danny Archer V.I.P. Philly 607 Posts |
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On 2006-02-09 10:12, Dam wrote: You are talking about Manuel Muerte and his sleeving is excellent, great technique and well motivated ... also Bob King has some great advice on his "soft sleeve" technique in one of his sets of lecture notes ...Also no one mentioned Rick Merril who has some great info in his great set of lecture notes called "Home Schooled" ... also see Michael Lair's notes for his "Cross Sleeve Technique" ... and how can we forget one of the best sleevers (SP!) that ever lived ... Jack Chanin ... he has a pamphlet, that is still in print ... Sleeving is a technique, which I believe, should be used sparingly for maximum effect ... any sleight of technique that is overused during a single effect or routine starts to lose its impact and through repetition can be figured out by laymen... |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Danny,
where might you get the sleeving pamphlet by Jack Chanin?
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
I noticed a book, (not pamphlet)at this link: http://www.loomismagic.com/cmmh.html That is the cheapest site with the book.
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
I saw Jack Chanin back in the 60's and he certainly was slick. Dai Vernon said that Chanin "could palm a brick" and get away with it. I am also an admirer of Carl Cloutier, who, I think, is underestimated by many magicians because they haven't seen him with a real audience. Now you can in the bill in the kiwi set of DVDs.
However, the best coin sleeving that I have seen in recent years was done by another underestimated magician: Jim Pace. Jim has a very subtle and invisible move...it looks like he doesn't do anything. He teaches it on his lecture compilation DVD, which is one of the best bargains around. His "Double Lift Substitute" is worth more than the price. Best regards, Glenn Godsey |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Glenn,
You're right, Jim Pace is really good at the techique, definitely under-rated when it comes to all this. He actually has a little vanish where he uses the technique in a small way, but WOW it is really sweet. Good call, man. *And thanks DynaMike for the lead on the Chanin book. -MB
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FRANZIS New user 86 Posts |
Last week I discovered a french Magician 'Julien FOMBARON" who has a wonderful work with sleeving.
Is a good dancer, so he applied the dance technique to the sleeving art in order to avoid letting fall the harm to recover the object. There are 2 DVD in french about his technique. I hope one day you will see his work. His 3 fly routine is wonderfull and very clean beacouse of sleeving. |
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jeroen vd schuur New user 2 Posts |
Quote: Where can I find the sleeving section, on vol 1 or 2?
On 2006-02-09 09:05, tedb wrote: |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Back in the 70's If it Sleeve fits it Mr. Rocco came to my attention.
His use of tobacco, ice and as mentioned about glitter. Don't know what he is doing these days, but he inspired me to look at possibilities. My actions and personality did not fit his style but his work did open up my eyes.
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Richard Tremblay Regular user Québec, Canada 120 Posts |
Try Bobo Dr. Robert's method of sleeving. With this method, you can sleeve when your arm is down your side (of course, your arm must not stay this way as the item just sleeved will fall down). Also, take a particular attention to not bend the wrist while sleeving. Many performer do this (including Carl Cloutier) and, although it may goes unnoticed by your spectators, this is not the proper way to do it.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Bobo's started me off with Sleeving (yet another treasure in the book), but it was Justin's applications and instruction that got me hooked on it really. All the others mentioned here are expert at it as well, maybe even moreso, but Justin does some wonderful work with it and can put you on a good fast track using it in some immediately magical ways and presentations, that is, with some real practice of course. -MB
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millusions New user 94 Posts |
If you contact Rocco and the D'Lite company, they have detail on a new book coming out about Rocco's sleeving and work. "More Than Sleeving"
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ftlum Special user Roseville, CA 730 Posts |
I found Mr. Cloutier's methods to be quite good, but be aware that his tapes are rather repetitive-- pretty much the same technique used in only slightly different ways. Also, while Done by Misdirection is a good video, it's rather light on sleeving and may not be what you're after. On the Cutting Edge Card and Coin DVDs, there is a very nice type of sleeving technique (Layover Vanish) that is radically different than anything I've seen before-- great stuff on those DVDs.
I'm also interested in seeing Justin Miller's work, myself. The Silver Dream video I saw seems to have a nice move in it (kind of reminds me of Kurtz' Full Frontal Assault). -- Frank |
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beaker New user 77 Posts |
I just love the pumpkin seed method from Bobo's. Quiet and quick.
Beaker |
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Justin N. Miller Inner circle 2457 Posts |
Frank,
Just curious, which part of Silver dream reminds you of Full Frontal Assault? Justin Miller |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Question to the guys who sleeve a lot. When I watch sleeving being used, if the magician has particularly good technique, I may miss the actual sleeving, but what I NEVER miss is the retrieval. The arm going straight down and the hand cupping back to catch.
Has anyone figured out a better technique that kills that tell? Just curious. I don't sleeve that much so I have never personally tried to work on that. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
That's a good question that Dan puts forth here and it's a very real one. I thought of it as a real setback in all this too, but as you become better at directing the attention away from the retrieval hand, it's really not that big of an issue, or no bigger an issue than when a jumbo coin is brought into play in routines. I know that though my eyes always pop when the big coin appears, I also usually notice the magi going to a holdout or his pocket or whatever to bring the jumbo into play. Funny, it never kills the presentation to me...I still always enjoy the smoothness, and I notice that laymen usually don't catch it at all. I believe that's pretty much the case with sleeving too. When I use it, and I do often enough these days (thanks Justin) ,specs never catch it, and it feels good and slick when you do it good. And if you're creative, you can do some wonderful things with it. Of all the gaffs I have, I almost prefer to use a regular half dollar and an English Penny, and with the sleeving and some routining, man you can really fly with just 2 coins, 2 "real" coins. But Dan asks a very good question and I'd also like to hear some thoughts on it.
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
I think that sleeving in close up work is easier to misdirect than in stand up parlor.
In close up if you are standing with your spectators in a relatively close position, when you drop your arm, it goes out of view and attention can be held by whatever is shown in the other hand and or body positioning. These are the only times I have personally sleeved a coin. In a stand up setting where a whole room is watching, your head and your waist are both in the same viewing frame of the spectator. It is much harder to misdirect all eyes away from the retrieval because it is in the viewing frame. I guess the hardest situation would be on camera which puts EVERYTHING within a viewable frame. I wasn't really asking about the misdirective techniques, but I was curious if anyone had any technique method wise on the retrieval. That is the part I always personally catch. I think it is as important as good technique on the actual sleeve, to have the best technique on the retreival. Because a person only needs to see either and the deception is gone. |
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Ben Proudfoot Loyal user 212 Posts |
My vote goes for a true student of Slydini; Rocco. It doesn't get any better than Rocco when it comes to sleeving.
Check out this video: http://www.dlite.com/catalog/product_inf......ts_id=37 Ben |
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