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Ednigma
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Hello fellow conjurers,

I was just pondering over the overexposure of the Invisible Deck...It's [in my own opinion] "disheartening" to see such a good effect overexposed (Oftentimes magic dealers will sell them to people coming into a shop "off the street" for the first time!!).

My question is, how many of you "seasoned" magi continue to perform it? How many, " My aunt so- and so's got that" have you encountered? Do you feel it's still valuable for the professional's arsenal?
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I still do the Invisible Deck from time to time. At times, I have spec. said they know how it's done as it's a "trick" deck. How did they know that? Magic shop for one or their magi buddies.
Another place curious layperson can find out about Invisible Deck is simply look it up at Wikipedia. Here's the link with secret reveals at the bottom. Smile
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Invisible deck is my first gimmicked deck. I'm still doing it sometimes (I'm not a "seasoned" magi btw). My audiences either watched other magicians performed or saw it on TV, although many of them don't know the secret, but its an "old trick" to them already.
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That would be unfortunate if ID gets compromised as much as Svengali or stripper decks. It's so *** good.
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I've used the ID for decades and never run into a lay audience that knew what the deck was. The few times that someone approached me after a show and was familiar with the ID it was someone with an interest in magic, often from thier youth.

The presentation of the effect is the thing that will put even knowledgeable folks off track. There are several extremely good presentations that are well disguised. Most casual users present the trick as a show and tell magic trick. J.B.Bobo put out a trick called "Let's Pretend", if I remember it right. It is a presentation of the ID using a miniature deck, with a great story. The deck is produced as the spectator reveals his thought-of card and then the deck opened and the selection revealed. The story really makes this work...

Anyone who has seen Don Alan do this trick knows that there is virtually no chance of a spectator relating his presentation to the trick deck they have stuffed in thier drawer at home!

Eddie Fields describes several presentations, including a Pool Table hustle that will throw even magicians off the track.

So, in answer to your question, the trick is not overworked, although the secret may be over-exposed. Presentation is, as usual, the key to good magic...

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Is it a bit naive to think that a shop owner wouldn't sell whatever he could when ever he could? Svengali or stripper decks in the right hands can still amaze.
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I rarely use any gimmicked deck. However, New Year's Eve I was perfoming strolling and had to do one trick onstage, (something else I reall don't do.) I decided that invisible deck would be perfect, and used Bill Malone's handling with a local DJ. It went over very well, but now, I have people requesting it at my regular gigs. I don't always have it on me and hate to say no. I guess I learned my lesson.
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Perhaps as an unadorned trick on its own, with the original "invisible deck" premise, it has been overexposed. But as a utility item, built into a routine, or used as an out, my guess is that there's plenty of life in the ol' girl yet.
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I don't think we have to worry about over exposure based on the Wikipedia explanation. Smile

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An ID used in conjunction with a drawer box is tops!! (Innit Robert? Smile )

Now, then, a groundbreaking magic thought: Who's gonna come up with a 'himber drawer box' or some kinda 'switch' drawer? - Now that would be awesome! I know, I've gone off topic. I'll get my coat!
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Roger --

I believe Paul Harris proposed something like what you're talking about in Art of Astonishment, in a very funny conversation with Eric Meade.
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On 2006-02-11 17:26, adgnyc wrote:
Roger --

I believe Paul Harris proposed something like what you're talking about in Art of Astonishment, in a very funny conversation with Eric Meade.


really? I'm gonna have a look!
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An ID used in conjunction with a drawer box is tops!! (Innit Robert? Smile )

Now, then, a groundbreaking magic thought: Who's gonna come up with a 'himber drawer box' or some kinda 'switch' drawer? - Now that would be awesome! I know, I've gone off topic. I'll get my coat!


Yes, it is, Roger! ;-)

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. . . or used as an out . . . .

Please, please, please don't do this. Here's why.
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On 2006-02-11 15:57, adgnyc wrote:
. . . or used as an out . . . .

Please, please, please don't do this. Here's why.

ID is a great out. Your example is silly. A card is selected and when placed into the deck the magi screws the control up, legitimatly losing the card. The magi has the spectator shuffle the cards, and place them in the box. The magician explains that this is the trick he/she is famous for, the $100 card trick. The magician explains if he/she can't find the card, the spectator gets a $100 bill...

the magi asks for the name of the card, and with no moves opens the deck and shows the one card is face down....

TaDaa!

It's a strong trick on its own, and much better then having them pick a new card...

Also, its great for challenge type situation (should you want to)...
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I'm a lover of I.D. and I perform it many time every night. In three decade they catch me only once, but the guy was explaining to the friends the secret, talking also of Rough king fluid, so he probably bought it in a magic shop.
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On 2006-02-11 15:57, adgnyc wrote:
Perhaps as an unadorned trick on its own, with the original "invisible deck" premise, it has been overexposed. But as a utility item, built into a routine, or used as an out, my guess is that there's plenty of life in the ol' girl yet.


I'll take that bet based on my experience performing the effect for more than 30 years. That being said, there is one place in the world where I'd be leary of performing it.
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On 2006-02-11 19:13, S2000magician wrote:
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On 2006-02-11 15:57, adgnyc wrote:
. . . or used as an out . . . .

Please, please, please don't do this. Here's why.


ID is a great out. Your example is silly. A card is selected and when placed into the deck the magi screws the control up, legitimatly losing the card. The magi has the spec shuffle the cards, and place them in the box. The magician explains that this is the trick he/she is famous for, the $100 card trick. The magician explains if he/she cant find the card, the spec gets a $100 bill...

the magi asks for the name of the card, and with no moves opens the deck and shows the one card is face down....

TADAA!

its a strong trick on its own, and much better then having them pick a new card...

Also, its great for challenge type situation (should you want to)...

My example, while exaggerated, is in no way silly. This is exactly how the majority of magicians will use an invisible deck as an out. Don't believe me? Just read the plurality of threads on this site alone concerning the idea.

Your example, in contrast, requires a flawless deck switch.

You tell me: What percentage of magicians who use an invisible deck have even considered employing a deck switch? Of that small number, how many could do it flawlessly having just ruined the effect they'd planned to present?
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You know every magic shop sells tons of cups and balls (I'm talking the little plastic sets), and tons of other magic all that is still done by pros. The invisible deck takes a bit more skill than a Svengali deck. Sure people may buy it, but people also never learn to read the instructions and figure it out. In the Las Vegas strip magic shops they sell a million hellicopter cards/UFO etc. Yet I don't see anyone abandoning I.T. usage because of those effects wide distribution. I once saw Juan Tamariz do the most baffleing ambitious card routine I ever saw. Myself and several other magicians at the table were just awed by it. We just couldn't catch the moves, and all of us do ambitious card very well. Juan slaps the deck down on the table and leaves it there laughing his head off as he heads to another table. It was probably 20 min before any of us thought to pick up the deck. Svengali deck. So don't say it is "over exposed", a particular routine with a deck might get "over exposed" . All tricks are just "cheap tricks" its the magican who turns it into magic and entertainment.
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I do it very often and it still is one of the best tricks ever!!!
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