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On 2006-02-24 21:11, sodman12 wrote:
What was reason number 1

What do you mean "reason number 1?"

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AAHH! unlucky I see. my bad.

none the less try the simulation and check out for your self.

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Read my post CC
and I have dealt out the simulation many a time.lol
I have a computer program that lets you run the simulation over a million hands
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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I finally was able to download...here are my thoughts:

1) Second deal: I can't see the second...but, the hand action, slow and studied deal is a tell. You may also want to consider sailing the cards vs. laying them down.

2) The riffle stack (video1) looks very nice....I liked the pass too.... you may want to note how natural your deal was on the riffle stack video vs. the second dealing video. If you relax you second deal, it will look more natural.

3) J0ma - Mucking is my my area...but I think I saw thumb movement and even a flash of the card in you left hand.

4) Nice cleanup - I liked it ! ... The only tell was that I did not get the impression that you were even looking at your cards during the switch. If you actually looked at your cards, your fingers and thumb would have behaved differently.

In general...I enjoyed all the videos....I don't know how old you are, but, I think you are young....and considering your age.....you have a GREAT start with a promising future....keep practicing....use mirrors and video.
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I currently use mirrors and webcam, and just to mention I am only 13. Smile
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I made a new second deal video, in which the second deal occurs every 3rd and 5th card. heres the link: http://rapidshare.de/files/14109703/new_second.wmv.html

-J0ma-

PS: Now I tried to sail the cards Smile
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Ok when you deal the cards they need to move from the deck to the table with out a pause. its hard to say in words but I think you know what I mean.
but I liked the video and your work ethic
keep em comin
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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Well actually, any ppl stop the card to the hand before they sail it to the player. I deal like that b/c I have seen ppl deal like that and I feel that my second is good like that, but I will try without a pause Smile
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Yeah but there is a difference between doing it to make it look fair and doing it because you cant do it any other way. just to me it looks kinda fishy but it still looks very good for someone who has not been doing it for very long
once again keep up the good work.

Have you tried to learn bottom deal yet? I find that it is a little more useful than dealing seconds which serve the sole purpose of dealing the top card on the flop when a burn card must be delt first.
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How useful is your bottom deal when a cut-card is in play?

How much more or less detectable is a base deal than a second deal?

Why is a bottom deal the more sound choice when the ruse requires an accessory sleight like a hop?

Actually, the base deal requires more than just a hop:

cull
short/false shuffle
bottom cop -or-
hop/retention hop (cut-card)
the base deal itself

note: if a cut-card is in play then the deal becomes a Greek Deal and calls for a different rationale.

The second deal requires the following:

peek or, if you prefer (and I don't)
paper
the second deal itself

Honestly, Sodman, which do you really think is more practical for modern day card table use?

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They can both still be used to good effect, just not in the typical way you'd imagine.
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Mr. Z,

I agree with what you say, but whether or not the crooked deals are useful or not wasn't the question. I am well aware that the application of any crooked move is left to the resourcefulness of their employers.

My doubt is that the bottom deal is more useful, by modern standards, than the second deal. My assertion is that it is not.

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"More useful" is really a misnomer--false deals have become exceedingly rare in this day and age, but there are always exceptions. I'd imagine this has something to do with the use of house dealers and 24/7 recording.

Years ago when the players could still deal themselves, there was a hustler who famously employed a Greek deal in the Gardena card rooms. He'd peek the bottom card and signal its value to his agent, who'd then decide if he could use it or not. Really quite extraordinary. You'll find Forte mentioning this anecdote in both Phantoms and his CGP book.
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Hmmm....you make a good point.

Perhaps you are right; I should say that the second deal is a smarter strategy.

The scam that you mention is similar to one that I use currently in private games. I must say, though, that I have rarely used it with Greek Deals but mostly with seconds. This has been very, very profitable for me, and has been a nice substitute percentage play for riffle stacking.

I have seen hours and hours of footage of cheaters in Gardena card rooms. One that stuck out in my mind the most was a particular hand mucker. She was absolutely amazing; very, very solid. Of course, some of this footage was of folks doing stupid things and getting caught. That was certainly not fun to watch....

Must go now; I am on my way to a game.

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Somehow, I decided to riffle stack instead of bottom dealing. I just find riffle stacking more "practical" or something Smile


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I agree riffle stacking is for me the best way to gain an edge.
your right CC in a game with a cut card the bottom is usless unless you can execute a greek bottom. but there are always exceptions to everything.
I prefer to gain my advange by playing a few hands a night where it is not possible(very unlikely) for me to loose. durring the other parts of the night I just play a solid game of poker which most of the time will make me the winner regarless of how many moves I pull.

And yes I agree that in a casino seconds would be better since they are much more eazy to conceal.

Joma riffle stacking is goo like I said earleir but it is nice to have a well rounded ability. if you can bottom deal it makes it easeir to double duke since you can just stack the loosing hand and deal the bottom to yourself. also I find a need when in texas holdem to be able to deal seconds and bottoms for the flop turn and river. if you have the balls you can try looking for the card you need and pass it to the top and the second deal the burn card and deal it as well.
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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I was playing with my friends and we had fun, and they didn't notice my moves at all. I just riffle stacked and won the whole pot Smile We werent playing for real money though.
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You ar bar far one of the better 13 year olds which I have seen...I started when I was 11 years old and was not as good as you by 13....keep up the practice !
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Well, I can say that I am very goal-directed when it comes to magic/card sleights. I have a physics test tomorrow and should read but I'm just practicing double duke! Smile I will post a video of it soon. stay tuned!

J0ma

PS. Actually all my double duking is thanks to Jeff Wessmiller!
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Well well, here comes my new double duke for a 4 handed game. I know that I must go faster with the shuffles, but actually in a real game where I play everyones laughing and so on, so I can atually do it bit sloppy.

Heres the link: http://rapidshare.de/files/14173339/doubleduke.wmv.html

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