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Chris Becker
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Ok, so maybe you're already ticked off by these questions... Then again, you guys were all really helpful with my question on possible cups the other day, so why not try again?

Anyway, as you can tell, I'm starting to assemble some equipment for street work. Today, I've come across this (almost) affordable leather pouch:

http://www.strasserweb.net/christof/Temp/Pouch.jpg

Compared to what I've seen in some of the shops, this one looks huge. Does anyone know this model? Since the truck-load-Gazzo-pouch is apparently no longer available, I gotta choose something like this. I'll stop by Hank Lee's on Saturday but this one looks fairly good to me.

What do you think?

Thanks, C.
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It's hard to say, but it almost looks like the Bob Kohler version of the Gazzo pouch. I saw one nearly identical to it hanging on the wall at Denny and Lee's in Las Vegas. I can't tell from the picture, but is there a stitched center divider between the two halves? If so, then I don't have a clue.

Penguin Magic still lists the high end Gazzo pouches on their site. Since he makes them to order, you might be able to contact them to get on his waiting list.
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Dave,

Thanks again, your advice is always very helpful. The Gazzo pouch at Penguin? Oh no, that's $700!

Anyway, I know the pouch in the picture is "made in Europe". Is this consistent with your idea of the Bob Kohler version of the Gazzo pouch? What was the approximate retail price for this?

I don't know either if there is are two separate compartments.

Thanks, C.
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The photo you post looks like an older model Cellini pouch. Zauberladen in Switzerland marketed the original Cellini pouch. Here is a link: http://www.zauberladen.com/shop/product_......s_id=762

Frank Starsini makes and sells a very nice version too. A link to Frank’s amazing stuff:
http://www.theambitiouscard.com/aitem.cfm?itemid=1

Frank also makes a super and inexpensive version of the Gazzo pouch. Check it out at:
http://www.theambitiouscard.com/aitem.cfm?itemid=2
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Harry, I remember when you used to go by... "mumplepeas".
those were the days...


Actually the second link is not like a gazzo pouch but it's what I generally use
for my cups and balls routine and I also use it for strolling unless I'm wearing a suit. I wear it on my hip and load from the side.

I have several pouch ideas and I'm close to starting another pouch project (or 2).

If anyone has ideas to toss into the mix you can let me know.
I like a pouch that's a multi-tasker but I try not to add anything to a pouch that would get in the way of someone that just wants a bag to put their fruit in.

If the pouch pictured at the top of the thread is supposed to be like a cellini pouch, I can tell by looking that it would not be satisfactory to jim. The only modification he made to my original prototype was a very specific detail. That error in design is glaringly obvious in that photo.
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Just for the record, I've never made or released any products with Gazzo. I believe you may be referring to the School for Scoundrels release.
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Zauberladen still has cellini pouches. They get them from me.
I'm sending them a batch today, in fact.

And bob is most likely correct. That appears to be more like the old SFS pouch.
I think that was made by porper but it was not all leather. Probably a fine pouch tho.
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Frank: Please help me understand. What error in design are you referring to? To me, the pouch seems really big, more like an apron. Is that the issue?

Since I've never used a pouch before: what's important other than size?

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If it's trying to be a gazzo pouch as bob suggests then the shape is fine.
for an apron pouch the shape is all wrong.
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On 2006-02-17 12:01, Bob Kohler wrote:
Just for the record, I've never made or released any products with Gazzo. I believe you may be referring to the School for Scoundrels release.


Thanks for the clarification. I thought since School for Scoundrels released this around the same time as the Gazzo tapes that they were somehow related. Somewhere along the way I thought your name was mentioned as the maker of this pouch. I think Frank's right and it was Joe Porper. High quality products from the both of you, easy mistake.
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Frank, I was wondering where Zauberladen was getting their pouches! Now I know they are getting the Rolls Royce of pouches! Your pouches are great and the prices are very reasonable.

Thanks for the clarification on the Gazzo pouch. Actually I like your design a bit better than the classical Gazzo. Yours is more flexible in its use to my way of thinking.

I’m looking forward to seeing your new designs.

I’m still performing as Ol’ Mumblepeas (when I work! LOL!!!).

Christof, size is probably the least important variable when considering a pouch. Overall use will be the first variable (what do you need it for?). If you are just using if for your final loads in your cups and balls routine then a simple baglike pouch is all you need (the bigger the final loads the larger the bag/pouch). Gazzo doesn’t even put his pouch on until he gets to his cups and balls routine.

I don’t use the orange and melon final loads and I use my pouch for several routines in my little act. I carry almost everything in the pouch or tied to the belt (cups are carried in a smaller pouch hanging behind me.
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So, only a Gazzo-type pouch has only one pocket?

Well, I guess what I'm looking for is a pouch, which can either be used for six oranges and a melon or for a smaller amount of cup loads and, additionally, as a depot for other things, like two deck of cards, balloons, a folded newspaper. One of my favorite routines is a very visual, relatively long coin and jumbo coin sequence. Usually, I would use the topit and sleeves, but I figure a pouch would be very useful in this respect, too.

I did Mike Ammar's late Eighties' cups and balls routine before, which is heavily based on Dai Vernon's. Like Ammar, I preferred doing it short sleeved without a pouch. Even this can be done, albeit not surrounded, with four final loads. I guess what I'm trying to say is: yep, Harry, I would like to use the pouch for more than just the final cup loads.

Thanks for all your input. You guys are extremely helpful!

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Just a word about the Gazzo pouch....this thing is a work of art! I know he hand-makes each one, and I can't imagine how much time that must take. I realize they are expensive, but taking into account the experience and thought that went into developing this pouch, as well as the quality of the craftsmanship, the time, the materials--I felt I got my money's worth and a whole lot more. I felt it was worth it to get the laced pouch, and I'm glad I did. Sorry to sound all mushy, but it is one of my most prized possessions.

I also really enjoy the Poacher's Pouch that Frank makes. It is completely different than the Gazzo Pouch, but the workmanship is terrific and it is perfect for walk-around. I highly recommend it. Everything I have purchased from Frank has been first rate.

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On 2006-02-17 09:42, Christof wrote:
Dave,

Thanks again, your advice is always very helpful. The Gazzo pouch at Penguin? Oh no, that's $700!
Hey, buskers need to eat too! That's the same price he charged when he sold them through Magicpitch.

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Anyway, I know the pouch in the picture is "made in Europe". Is this consistent with your idea of the Bob Kohler version of the Gazzo pouch? What was the approximate retail price for this?


We now know that it wasn't Kohler who made these, but possibly Joe Porper. I saw more pictures today of the School for Scoundrels pouch, and although similar in size, this one doesn't look like a SfS pouch after all. It now sounds like it's simply a "pouch" with no real lineage to it. If it fits your needs, go for it. I have three pouches now, Frank's "Poacher's Pouch" (actually four, I have two of these) for Ren Faires, Frank's soft leather "Cellini" pouch with compartments for general purpose use, and a Gazzo pouch which is specially suited for his C&B routine, but isn't as handy for general use.

Each one has it's own particular use, and I don't consider any one of them as my "one and only, Universal, does it all Pouch."
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Hello again,

Well, I guess I will give it some more thought. Everyone here has been really helpful though, and Frank certainly has great things to offer.

I only have so much money and although during my very recent trip to FA, most of my stuff (including my old cups) was stolen, I might not "rebuild" my props all at once. Next w/e, I'm visiting & working for a friend at an (indoor!) fair in Princeton but I have the very basic stuff I need for that. Another mid-term goal is to hang out with the performers in Harvard Square over the summer and learn from them.

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Christof
don't guess, If your going to do six oranges and mellon then you do need a Gazzo pouch.

Fimnar is right $700, is cheap for this work of art. I don't get some folk, If you are intending to work it and you do sound like you are. Then your going to get your money back in a few days if not less. Do what you have to, but if you want a working pouch for the streets where your working that size load then Gazzo.
If you cant (I mean this) go and get your self a lady hand bag that can take the load and strap that around your wasit and earn it.

Your story proves one thing you should buy tow of every thing. I do have 2 Gazzo pouches one he laced up for me while I was on tour in Canada. The other was an EX master class one just in case I get robbed like you did. 2 set of cups well to tell the truth about 11 personal sets now.

Mario
PS if your going to do smaller loads and say a grapfruit from under the hat. Stick with a simple Topit. I won the FCM,UK 05 Close up with a Topit and that is what Cellini uses today. If you want something where you store your nick-nacks, ballons card's and small loads for your C&B then the Cellini apron.
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