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Bill Palmer
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The Amazing Randi is in the hospital, having had bypass surgery recently.

Pray for him, please.

I'm not a big Randi fan. I'm also not an atheist or a skeptic.

I think prayer would do him a world of good.

And then if he survives and recovers -- well, we can always let him know! Smile
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It always amazes me that the most vocal skeptics and atheists seem to have "Gosh DARN, I'm bitter, and that colors everything I see!" painted all over them? Of course, they also find numerous things to be justifiably bitter about (thank you very much Jim & Tammy, Pat Robertson et al.)

How about we all choose to "do the Christian thing to do" and give him a prayer or two ... think of him as "the loyal opposition."
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I always remember the song (at I do not mean this to be silly or to make light of anything) called, "God believes in you." Lyrics are great, about how we all mess up (again, this is not pointing fingers at anyone but me), again and again, yet through Grace, God believes and has faith in me.

Lift him up boys! Friends lift up a guy, literally, this Sunday, to dig a hole in the roof, "just" to see Jesus.

So, we can lift up another friend in prayer.

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Wish him well but don't "pray" for him as I'm sure he'd think it a waste of time and resources. I know I would if I were in the same situation.
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I dunno if I'm even a big believer in prayer (I think God's gonna do what is best without having to be begged) - but maybe prayer works as much good for the praying person as it does for the "beneficiary".

So who cares if he would think it a waste of time and resources? I'd feel a bit better for having done it.
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Hey Bill

Thanks for letting us know.

We're be praying for him.

Steve
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Payne,

I know it seems all "high and mighty" to say, "This person needs our prayers, even though, yadda yadda..." But in the same right, when a person says, "Don't pray for him, because I wouldn't want it done," finds us in the same problem.

You are speaking for him as if you were him. And you aren't.

I guess this has taken more time and resources to say, Payne... just accept that for once a forum that can be full of judgement sometiems is wanting to help a fellow magician they way they know how. You might not agree with it. Fine.

So... You wish him well and I will pray. And perhaps both of us in our own way will help connect whatever healing "force" needs to be connected.

Wishing you well,

RevJohn
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It is a pleasure and a duty to offer prayers for Randi -- thank you, Bill, for bringing his condition to our attention.

Payne has said that prayer on his behalf during a time of trauma would be viewed by him as a waste of the time of those who pray. Curious.

Perhaps you'll recall an episode of Star Trek in which Spock sees what (he is certain) to be some sort of holographic impersonator pretending to be a revered Vulcan philosopher. The impersonator greets Spock, who refuses to return the greeting, saying, "You are not whom you claim to be."

"That may be," said the impersonator, "But that is no reason to refuse my greeting."

There are Christians who pray for others as a means of expressing some self-perceived superiourity, but there are many others who pray out of heart-felt -- if delusional -- concern. It seems to me that such an expression conveys goodwill, even though it fails to fit the epistemological parameters of the recipient.



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Well, whatever, IT CAN'T HURT! Pray if you are so inclined!
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Feeling love, compassion and goodwill is what would make this world the place it deserves to be.
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Our prayers go out for him.
I find it quite controlling of Payne to tell people not to pray. Wow, that's allowing freedom of expression.
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Rossmacrae, I don't know where you learned prayer equals begging. In fact when Jesus went off to be a lone he was talking (praying) to his Father. Asking God to fullfill a need is just that asking, not begging.
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Thanks Bill for letting us know and encouraging us to pray for Randi.

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Bardin,

While I see what you are getting at, I would like to think that with the humanity of Christ, in the garden, there was some begging.

I like the line from Jesus Christ Superstar, "Whip me, beat me, kill me now, before I change my mind." His prayer that God would take this cup from me.. since we can't read tone in the text, I read it as a plee or a beg.

So, while Prayer doesn't always equal begging, I do think there is a style that equals the intensity of it.

But most importantly, I think that rossmacrae is honest in his post... one can lay it on the line and say, "Well, I don't really know for sure..."

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It's never hurt me. It's free. Some believe in it, some don't. I do.
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Millions prayed for the goodwill of the last pope. He still died.
Over the years people have, against my wishes, prayed for me for various reasons all to no avail. Thus the time and effort it takes to pray would have been better spent on more productive things. Send him a card, make a donation in his name to a charity of your choice. Prayer, well it's the least you can do.
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Payne, now you got my dander up!

Shall we omit the "needless" niceties - the "thank you", the "excuse me", the "just called to say I love you", because they're not 100% technically necessary? That would make an ugly world indeed.

I often get frustrated when, for instance, we're already late in the morning and my wife worries about which coat she needs when she's not going to take more than twenty steps in it before she's in another nice warm place. THAT's extraneous. But to take a moment to pray (or, if you will, stop just a moment to wish someone well) - what's the beef?

Okay, okay, you can take anything WAY too far ... I see all the good done by someone like Mother Teresa and, in comparison, shake my head in utter confusion at some cloistered sisterly order "devoted to perpetual contemplation, prayer and adoration." What's the blinkin' use? Nonetheless, it's their life to spend, the sisters don't need to pass my judgement to spend their lives as they please, and I don't need to have a "practical reason" to take (literally) 30 seconds to think a good thought for Randi. Maybe tip the Karma his way a little, if you prefer.

A good case can be made that prayer is utterly useless - after all, the opposite of any great truth is often another great truth. But if I choose to spend a few seconds in such an unproductive pursuit (and even suggest that dozens, hundreds, unlimited numbers of others may feel like doing likewise ... heavens, how those wasted half-minutes add up, we might finally conquer world hunger if only we didn't say a prayer for Randi!) hey, it's my 30 seconds to spend. When I get done with life will I feel like saying "Now can I have another 90 years to spend doing what I feel like doing??" Because the answer will certainlyt be "No, pal, that's the lot - now move along."
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Allright, I guess I'm wrong on this one.
To make it up to you all I'm going to call a Pagan friend of mine and he'll make an offering on behalf of all of you who are saying a prayer for Randi.
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You know Payne, I usually enjoy your posts, but you're just being belligerent and picking a fight here.

This forum is gospel magic specific. Bill posted this request here for a reason. He wasn't trying to proselytize.

Look, I'm the first to admit that the biggest obstacle to Christianity is usually my fellow Chrisitians. There are obviously many who have rubbed you the wrong way. I can't do anything about that.

You find prayer a waste of time. Fine. I find golf and NASCAR the biggest wastes of time, money, and resources that exist. But I don't troll on golf sites to ask them why they don't give their land to the homeless, then act all incredulous when on that board, my views aren't as welcome.

You're an intelligent person, and might I add, an adult. Stop with the fake persecution. It's not attractive on you anymore than it is on Falwell.
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Regardless of the manner in which it is done, I think a sincere attempt to give someone the gift of feeling loved is always worthwhile.

"I will destroy my enemies by converting them to friends." Maimonides

Useful philosophy.
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