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Whats the best method for guess words in yours opinion?
The progressive anagram: guess word spoken successive letters, and "confirmed" by spectator…

Or guess the word using only one letter, but being necessary the mentalist know in which position the letter find in the word?
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Check out Psychological Subtleties....

Banachek has a cool routine in there -- it's not a progressive anagram, but it works wonderfully...
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To be quite honest, I am not comfortable with progressive anagrams or guessing letters one you go beyond the 3rd letter. It begins to sound like a game of Hang Man, or Wheel of Fortune. I expect Vanna White to pop out from behind the spectator an offer me a vowel.

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Alain Nu has a nice way to get around this as far as star signs are concerned...
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On 2006-02-27 11:59, Traveler wrote:
Alain Nu has a nice way to get around this as far as star signs are concerned...


What is it called and where can one find it?
TJ
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It may be found in the mystery school book.
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On 2006-02-27 11:59, Traveler wrote:
Alain Nu has a nice way to get around this as far as star signs are concerned...


What is it called and where can one find it?
TJ


It is called Signagram and you can find it in his book "XXX Hardcore Mentalism".

An alternative method for a zodiac revelation can be find in "The Mystery School Book".
It's called Zodiattack. An earlier version was published in "the Looking Glass" in 1994.
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Yes, but "signagram" uses anagrams again. Zodiattack uses no anagrams and is therefore as close to mindreading as one can get. There's also "dreamsigns" by Daniel Love, but I never got that one to work well...
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Jack Yates uses one in his 1954 Minds in Close Up, Perfected Publicity effect, that you can see a illustration of my use of it in the http://www.mentalistsanctum.com/

His words are from 2 to 9 letters, and you stand a very good chance after 3-4 letters of having the word. And clever arranging of the order of your selected letters helps it work that way. But you may have to go further...

I quicken the process with a possibility/likelhood of a miss, that is covered with a question like, it doesn't have an "I" does it? And if I get a yes, I say, "Good, I thought so, but the letters are a bit cloudy here." And if does not have an I, I say I didn't think it did, and you did not miss, you actually get credit for a hit.. and then hit or miss, you are now on the right branch where a decision needs to be made after 4 letters are given.

Also, if you add in some "I know for sure there isn't any Z's" or any other letter not in your sequence form time to time, you are getting more hits, and it will help keep the spec from backtracking to the anagram.

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Hi Tony,

It's interesting that you mentioned "Hangman" because I was thinking of presenting a progressive anagram effect I found in an old "Linking Ring" as a game of "Psychic Hangman". I would use a large drawing tablet and add another body part to "the Hanging Figure" for each letter I got wrong. Of course, I win the game by naming the word the spectator is thinking of. Presented this way, I think it adds a bit more suspense. Does anyone know of anyone who has used the "Psychic Hangman" presentation before, and if so, does it work for the audience?

Thanks,

Paul
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Wmental

I agree with Tony Eye re: progressive anagrams.

However there is a progressive anagram couched in a book test that I love that really obscures the Vanna White syndrome.

It is called "Whenever - Anywhere" and is best learned by seeing Lee Earle perform it on the "Best of Syzygy DVD, volume 2."

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I do only one version of this and that's Sign Language by Doug Dyment.

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The best I ever heard was Slim King on some radio show.

Very well done and very believable.

PM Slim he can tell ya more.

I personaly cannot stand the stuff myself.
But I do not care for hangman.
(Reference Tony a few posts up)

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Thanks Jim!
I used to use Max Mavens Contimental, until I developed my own system. There is a program called Panagram out there somewhere that helps you make your own, but I don't have it. Maybe I should get it, but I usually only use one anagram type of effect per station. Too many people know how to get your birthday off of the internet so all of the cool Zodiac anagrams aren't as effective IMHO.
Good Luck!
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Gary Kurtz has some nice touches on the Zodiac anagram. Done well it appears really punchy and quick.
"ChairLess - A Chair Prediction"

"Epique - A Mental Epic"

"TAP - The Assignment Prediction"

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Panagram is available from http://www.underground-collective.com - it lets you enter a list of words and then automatically creates a progressive anagram for you from that list.

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Thanks for your suggestions, friends!
They assisted me to create a method for confection a book test that I was thinking.
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A few more quick resources for progressive anagrams:

* Sign Language - You will not find a better resource than this on progressive anagrams
* Skullduggery - The Trellis Caper chapter in here will have you looking at progressive anagrams in a whole new way.
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There are many good progressive anagrams out there. Doug Dyment offers some excellent advice in his books.

But many progressive anagrams suffer because many audience members can detect the letter-pumping methodology...and often the limit range of choices. I don't use it as a "stand-alone" method. Rather, I combine the method in a routine with other methods in a telepathy demonstration.

To hide the pumping, I use several important subtleties as I call out letters.

1. This isn’t the first time I call out letters. Earlier in my telepathy demonstration, I also call out letters as I reveal words. People expect me to call out letters. This hides the use of a branching anagram.

2. I make statements not guesses. And I start with a statement that always gets a “Yes!.” For example: I say, “Your word has an E.” Statements make me appear more confident.

3. I rarely offer a believable out or excuse when I get my one “no” response. People don’t expect perfection from mind readers.

4. After the one “no” response, I make several other statements that all get a ”yes.” These statements cause some people to forget my one “no.” I may guess one or two more letters correctly.

5. After the one “no” response, I always make statements about the meaning of the word. This causes many people to forget the letter pumping.

6. I follow the revelation of the word (learned by using the branching anagram) with one final, slightly more impossible word revelation that involves no books at all.


If you own the "Insight Book Test", I've created a branching anagram that doesn't use letters, but rather the characteristics of the five animals. This absolutely fools people. E-mail me with the name of two of the animals (to prove ownership of Insight) and I will send you my method.

Also, In Mentalism, Incorporated: Volume Two I explain how you can create a branching anagram from any book...and use it as part of a multi-book telepathy demonstration.

Chuck Hickok

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http://www.chuckhickok.com./tools.html
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Chuck,

Thank you for your document "A No Letters Progressive Anagram" for the animals in the Insight Book Test. It's a most interesting solution to the problem of just calling out letters. It has made me re-think my approach to progressive anagrams.
Highly recommended for anyone who has Insight, as is Chuck's Mentalism Incorporated 2, for the chapter about the progressive anagram.

Chuck is certainly one of the most generous and gracious gentlemen in mentalism.

Richard Paddon
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