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phedonbilek
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The only advice I'll give you is the following: DON'T START WITH BOBO. Please do not misunderstand, this is a great book. But a beginner starting with a book is something I do not understand, personally. Coin magic is visual, and you need to see how the sleights are performed properly. Learning from a book you'll have great chances to develop bad habits. Watching Ammar/Roth/Stone performing a certain move, you also understand its aim/use/potential. It's after mastering it that you'll -maybe- develop your own variation to better fit your own style.
With a book that's purely impossible.

So I would advise: start with

1. The Complete Introduction to Coin Magic - Michael Ammar
2. Expert Coin Magic Made Easy 1-3 - David Roth

Then, after having mastered the basics (and much more actually), buy Bobo and explore the true potential of this coin magic bible.

That's my own view on the subject though, and I'm sure many disagree. But I'm truly convinced it's the best way to start.

Have fun and welcome in the world of coin magic!
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Well I find learning from a book much more fun actually. I'm also somewhat against DVD's because of exposure and stuff.
I also think that many of the greatest coinworkers did not have DVD in their time. So it must be possible to learn from books.
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Possible, it is. But back then coinworkers didn't have the choice, did they?

My point is: learning from a book is possible; but you're very likely to develop bad habits. For instance: learn the retention pass from a book, and watch Roth or Ammar doing and teaching it. Try to learn the Gallo pitch, the flying shuttle pass, from books etc.

I guarantee you'll have serious problems.

Now, when you know the basics, books are great, since they're not teaching you moves, but routines. They won't teach you how to vanish a coin, they will simply state: "vanish a coin...".

I hope you get my point. But it's only my point, and if you can learn easily with books, then... congratulations!
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Just a contribution. The Magic of Micah Lasher by Micah Lasher is introductory and has a section on coin and currency magic with good descriptions of palming, shuttle pass, and retention vanish.
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I learned from Bobo when I first started. Of course that was before videos and DVD's. It is difficult, but not impossible if you keep practicing. I would recommend however, that you take advantage of the technology and watch some video's of the moves you want to learn.
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I've worn out my copy of the Bobo book, had it almost seven years now. What would you consider as the "next step"? I've seen David Roth and Richard Kaufman listed. Would those pretty much be a "repeat" of what I've already learned from Bobo's, or would there be many new things to learn from them?
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As has been said 'Expert Coin Magic' is the best follow-up of Bobo. MANY new ideas, sleights and routines. You cannot do without.
Enjoy it as I did!
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Michael Amar has very good video teaching series. I learned all from his stuff
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Hello everyone,

This is my first post. I have read thru this thread and would like to add what I think would be very helpful for beginners. Frankly, I'm quite surprised that no one has even mentioned The Amateur Magician's Handbook by Henry Hay (or did I just miss that post?). This was one of the first books I have read. This book is great for beginners since it does assume that whoever is reading it has absolutely no idea about the basics of coin magic, card magic, etc. It also, if I remember right, teaches fundamental theories about magic which the beginner should be familiar with. When it comes to learning coin magic, I would rank this as a notch higher than Bobo's book. I think learning the basics from this book then using the Bobo book as reference to more complicated sleights and routines would be a great way to start out. Am I the only who agrees with this? I would like to hear everyone's opinion about this book.

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Quote:
"NEW Modern Coin Magic".....(Hardback) by J.B.Bobo
"Coin Magic".......................(Hardback) by Richard Kaufman
"Expert Coin Magic".............(Hardback) by David Roth
"Magic by Gosh"..................(Hardback) by Pat Page & Albert Goshman
"Self working Coin Magic".....(Softback) by Karl Fulves

Best first coin book is?
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You beat me to it, Salamangkero, >The Amateur Magician's Handbook< by "Henry Hay" is my favorite. I, too, am surprised that no one had mentioned it until you did so. It is a book that rekindled my interest in magic after I got involved in other things while in college. To me it was an inspirational book and it is strong on coin magic. Bobo is indispensable for the coin worker, of course.
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My first coin book was Bobo's book and my first videos were Roth's Expert Coin Magic made easy. I love them.
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Roth's ECMME and Ammar's Complete Introduction to Coin Magic are both THE tools to start in coin magic. My two -euro-cents.

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Ammar's Complete Introduction to Coin Magic is a wonderful start, and as someone who usually prefers books, I would strongly recommend Bobo's book as a reference.

For those who haven't come across it, there's a great "study guide" for Bobo here:

http://www.zyworld.com/coinpurse/articles90.htm
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I've had a number of people ask me if my new book, 21st Century Coin Mechanics would be suitable for a beginner. The answer I've told them is no. This is a book for magicians who have some knowledge of coin magic and basic palms and grips. A beginner could theoretically learn the material in the book, since I leave nothing out in the descriptions and photos, but it wouldn't be easy. It would be like trying to learn Calculus without knowing basic algebra. Start with Bobo, Tarbell, or the Roth or Ammar videos.
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Hi,

I was bitten by the coin magic bug 8 months ago and grabbed all that I could on the subject. Starting with Bobo's Modern Coin Magic immediately wetting my appetite, DVD purchases soon followed. For what its worth, a newbie, I found that I learned a lot (fairly quckly) from Michael Rubinstein's enclopedia of Coin Magic (Vol. 1-3) and David Roth's Expert Coin Magic. Rubinstein may be dry and purely technical, but his explanations were laser clear, allowing me to choose the method that felt most natural to me. Roth had everything: technique, wisdom, showmanship, etc. I also own Jay Sankey - a bit of a loon, but incredibly gifted, explained things well and inspirational for working on more advanced coin work. Then there's Michael Ammar - Complete Introduction to Coin magic, like Roth, offering the graduated buildup of technique, wisdom and showmanship.

All in all, the DVD's proved incredibly invaluable for my continued learning experience. The following list (from those that I've purchased) is my order of preference for learning Coin Magic.

Michael Ammar
Dr. Michael Rubinstein
David Roth
Jay Sankey

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I absolutely agree with you Dan! And I would not hesitate to also obtain "21st Century Coin Mechanics", by Larry Barnowsky, as you can actually take what you've learned to a new level! There are tools here one will not find elsewhere...FCOP is just one. If you do any type of retention work? ... Well...let's just say I recommend it highly!

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Doug
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Hi Doug,

Funny that you should mention Larry's book... I just bought it this morning! Smile I'm really hooked on learning retention work and have quite a way to go before I'm half as smooth as the senior posters here. I can hardly wait though to read and hopefully put into practice some of Larry's genius coin work.

Cheers!

Dan
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Ya know, Dan...

I felt like a beginner as I ran through the book...seeing moves or improvements on moves...plus combinations I've never HEARD of! Oh, to be able to master this stuff...for example...The Lucky Chinese Coin...there's a challenge for ya!

Also, compare Larry's Open Palm Retention Vanish with Rubinstein's Retention Open Palm Steal...then look at variation 2...this is what I'm talking about...you see, this is why owning this book is the perfect companion to Rubinstein's DVD sets. This gives you more variations on these tools.

Since seeing Mickey Silver's SUV (Silver's Ultimate Vanish), I've concentrated on my retention stuff. This book answered a question I've had for years. To wit, the 2nd half of a retention vanish and reappear. Showing both hands "empty", using a variation of The Ramsey Sublety (sp?), and a changeover. It's here in this book...and a lot more. Years of reading and practice!

Long live Count Elmsley! Smile

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I'll add a question to this topic by way of analogy.

I think most (many) would agree that the Royal Road to Card Magic is a/the "classic" text on card magic. Some also suggest that the Card College series is a bit more modern and easier to learn from.

So, my question is: If Bobo is the "classic" text on coin magic, is there a more modern analogue?

Thanks.
Regards,
Eric
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