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dominik Regular user Germany 143 Posts |
Here's the challenge: You just found a great routine that needs no tablecloth, can be shortened if necessary, and resets itself. The only problem is, it uses a SB change where the changed coins drops from SB position into FP of the same hand.
My solution suggestions so far: 1) Use a different SB where the changed-out coin lands in Th/P of the other hand. 2) Do a P/Change instead 3) Do some other change like Bobo's (doesn't look as visual in my opinion) I guess the above would work well for an Okito routine of Marlo's I wanna, but what about the SB change in CCC from DesTROYers? The only solution I came up with so far is to just leave the off-the-ribbon-back-on-the-ribbon sequence out. Suggestions anyone? |
Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
You might want to check out my spellbound routine in my lecture DVD or in my notes. It should give you a variety of moves in a nice sequence. In the Encyclopedia of Coin Sleights DVD, there are over 10 spellbound moves as well that you might be able to use. PM me for details.
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Dam New user Brest in France 100 Posts |
Hello,
There is a very good change edge-grip/edge-grip in "Williamson's Wonders" just at the finger tips, It can be resolve your problem .... Or try Kainoa hardbottle's work, lot of very good stuff. damien |
BAH1313 Elite user Ohio 445 Posts |
I came up with a variation of the spellbound move because I perform surrounded most of the time. I don't know a name for it, or if it already exists. More than likely, I stumbled upon something through necessity and trial and error, and it probably was covered 100 years ago in a book, and is covered by a ton others! I'll try to get the footage up so you guys can see it.
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
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On 2006-03-01 09:11, Dam wrote: David Williamson's Wishing Well routine.... Excellent walk-around material.
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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
You may want to check out Edgy New York Spellbound by Curtis Kam in Kainoa's new book " Coinapalooza II: International Deceptions" at http://www.kainoaland.com
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2006-03-01 07:10, dominik wrote:...The only problem is, it uses a SB change where the changed coins drops from SB position into FP of the same hand.... What specifically is the problem with using that change?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Yeah, I'm with Jon. It seems you are getting answers that don't match your question...
Are you saying the routine leaves you dirty in left hand fingerpalm and you need the hidden coin to be in your right hand? |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
I assume he's saying that in a walkaround setting, people can see down into his fingerpalm. To this,I can only say:
One of the most famous proponents of the fingerpalm was John Ramsay. He was a wee little man. If people can see the hidden coin after the SB change, you are standing too close. I have never had a problem with taking one step back so that "everyone can see", thus assuring that nobody can see what I don't want them to. If there's no avoiding circumstances where everyone is looking down into your hands, congratulations. These are the situations that all that backpinch, palm, and clip material was designed for. There are plenty of changes and switches that you could use here, including a famous one that Dai Vernon witheld from the Stars of Magic write up of Spellbound. I believe it's described in the "Chronicles" volumes. Also check out the Paul Cummins and Sol Stone material.
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Curtis and I both have a fondness for Sol Stone's Tumble Switch/Change from COINMAGIC. That would solve the problem of people seeing "into" the fingerpalm AND place the stolen coin in the other hand as well.
Dingle's Sucker Change from "Inflation", might also be useful, if you don't want the coin in the right hand. If everyone is standing and looking down, there is no more magical change than David Roth's Flash Change. |
TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I like Roth's flash change as very much. Pretty easy too.
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dominik Regular user Germany 143 Posts |
Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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What specifically is the problem with using that change? Curtis Kam wrote: Quote:
I assume he's saying that in a walkaround setting, people can see down into his fingerpalm. [...] If people can see the hidden coin after the SB change, you are standing too close. That is exactly the problem. I am afraid that somebody can see the coin from the back. What about a spectator watching from the side? What if someone watching from far away (those people not really watching the trick) catches a glimpse of the coins? They probably don't know what kind of trick you are performing anyway, but I am still afraid of giving a move away. Curtis Kam wrote: Quote:
If there's no avoiding circumstances where everyone is looking down into your hands, congratulations. These are the situations that all that backpinch, palm, and clip material was designed for. [...] check out the Paul Cummins and Sol Stone material. Paul Cummins "Up in Smoke" is actually very good with respect to learning practical backpinching routines. I am still afraid of people looking from far away (not an issue if you are totally surrounded, I know). wsduncan wrote: Quote:
If everyone is standing and looking down, there is no more magical change than David Roth's Flash Change. Good idea. I like the Flash Change, I just didn't think of it. Well that's what a brainstorming is good for, I guess. All this brings up a more general question: Would you do backclipping/pinching material one on one if there are any other people around who might see the hidden coin (say, a waitress who can't watch your magic because she is busy and has already seen the trick anyway, but passes by now and then)? |
ithomson Veteran user 330 Posts |
The problem I have with any coin transmutation effect in walkaround bookings is the ambient lighting.
I used to play a version (using Jonathan T's EG2EG change) of the stand-up Cu/Ag routine described in (I think) "Coinmagic". However, it became obvious that my customers found it difficult to actually notice the change because the lighting made it difficult to distinguish between a shiny copper coin and a shiny silver coin. I then tarnished the copper coin (using "Liver Of Sulphur" thanks to Dan Watkins) .... and noticed no change in response. In some situations (which I could not control) the lighting was still too problematic. So I dropped the routine. Anybody else find this a problem? Finally: Quote:
All this brings up a more general question: Would you do backclipping/pinching material one on one if there are any other people around who might see the hidden coin (say, a waitress who can't watch your magic because she is busy and has already seen the trick anyway, but passes by now and then)? No, I wouldn't. I don't like the idea of giving moves away. It's called exposure. Ian |
Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
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On 2006-03-03 10:19, ithomson wrote: Yes, and that's the exact reason that I use a half dollar and, instead of an English Penny or similar copper coin, I use a poker chip or a Chinese coin. |
Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
I'm been working on a routine with a regular U.S. penny and both a half dollar and dollar sized coin to find what's best for me.
Spellbound type moves are just part of it. The dollar sized coin is usually a silvery one but I also have a dollar size penny. IMO, the more contrast the better. If the penny is borrowed, all the better. |
harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Although I use Morgans,Liberty Halves, and Australian Pennys, I like to use smaller coins in walk arounds, like U.S.A. dimes, pennys, nickles and quarters.
Pennys and quarters make for good contrast in copper silver routines and your topic of spell bound routines. My routine "A little change", is I believe in Tom Craven's Come a little closer, Linking Ring August 2002. Be safe, well and creative. Harris
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dominik Regular user Germany 143 Posts |
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On 2006-03-03 10:19, ithomson wrote: That's what I thought. |
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