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Ross W Inner circle UK 1745 Posts 
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Well, I bought the notes and there is some excellent stuff in there, though Spec Cuts The Aces is the one I'm most eager to try out!
The fourth phase, I confess, has me slightly worried. While it'll fly with most audiences, I sometimes perform for a VERY critical audience. AS a matter of interest, how does Marlo end his? PM if this is too expository. |
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Mikes presentation is strong. Going back to a prevoius post because it eliminates one of the most common theories (cards are somehow switched). Something like this can build. For example, here is a ranking (from "worst" to "best") of how I think cutting to the aces plays to the spectators based on key elements (assuming everything else is identical):
performer cuts and turns over aces performer cuts and spectator turns over aces spectator cuts and performer turns over aces spectator cuts and turns over aces The subtle force for phase four is brilliant. I have easy estimation aces on dvd, but can not remember who the british magi is, but he is a trip. |
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lunatik Inner circle 2935 Posts
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What are the top 5 "self working" cutting the aces to date? and where are they located. thanks!
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closeupcardician Special user Justin Teeman Moore, OK 602 Posts
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Malone's Presentation is my favorite as well! The handling of which is credited to Harry Riser. Not to be outdone by Daryl's wonderful routine "Cut to Kill" in the Collected Almanac.
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RicHeka Inner circle 3999 Posts
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First let me say that I don't consider myself a card worker. I know the basic sleights, shuffles, forces, and cut's, etc..
I have been performing the same 5 phase card routine for many years...of which 'Spectator Cuts the Aces' is the second phase. [the last 3 phase utilize those aces.] The version I use I saw on an old Frank Garcia video. [Spectator cut's, I turn them over] It is very clean looking[Regular shuffled deck, no gaffs or gimmicks...in fact I often use a borrowed deck], and I get great reactions. IMHO, I think building up the impossibility of it [presentation] is more important than the method used. Of course I am speaking of performing for regular folks,and not other performers. This 5 phase routine gives the impression that I am an expert with cards. [not]However, I have been performing it for so long, I can do it very smoothly and with great confidence. My only goal is that they are entertained and amazed. The most simple and direct method to get 'there' is paramount to me. I never realized there were so many methods. I am absolutely certain there are finer methods than the one I use, but I would never change...because my goal has been met. By the way, Spectator Cutting the Aces is a great way to put the spectator in the spotlight. I usually tell them "I wouldn't want to play cards with them". 
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marc_carrion Special user 637 Posts
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The fourth phase, I confess, has me slightly worried. While it'll fly with most audiences, I sometimes perform for a VERY critical audience. I think the fourth phase is great. I used that move for it's original purpose and never had a problem. In this case it's even better because you are coming from three different cuts, so there is a reason for both of them to cut the deck. I think it's a great idea and I would not worry about it. Ross, have you tried it yet? Marc |
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Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts
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Very, very interesting thread!
I'm keen to add a Spectator Cuts the Aces effect to my routine, with the condition that it is pretty much impromptu and from a shuffled deck in use. From what I've read Michael Paul's and Andrew Wimhurst's sound very much to my liking. I know it's probably impossible to say which one is better, but which one is better? Okay, I know it's not as simple as that, but in comparison which effect is that little bit cleaner, stronger etc. Cheers, Jason |
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"My only goal is that they are entertained and amazed.The most simple and direct method to get 'there' is paramount to me." -PaleoMagi
I could not have said it better. I will have to watch the 3rd phase again. |
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Mike,
How can we order the notes? The patter for the 3rd phase is funny and if it is 100%, WOW! |
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Mr.Tweed New user 45 Posts
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On 2007-04-18 17:53, Michael Paul wrote: See also Korttihai_82's review of the DVD: Quote: If I would have to take sides on this quite useless debate I would take MagicSantas side. I just finished Impact and I have to agree with Santa on most parts.
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1134 Posts
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Hi Hanson,
Out of the Andrew Wimhurst and Micahel Paul Spec Aces, you asked which one is better. That is difficult to answer because both effects come with a collection of other routines. I do not have Mr Paul's Impact DVD and cannot comment on the range of material on offer. However, I do have Andrew's Down Under Deals manuscript which is fantastic and also his video 'The Card Artistry of Andrew Wimhurst which is also superb. Both give clear explanations of his Spectator Estimates the Aces based on Marlo's Ace Estimation Routine. In comparing the two in isolation, I would have to say its really horses for courses. The strength of Andrews effect is that the spec cuts from a full deck which is shuffled by the magician after each cut. If you are a Stevens Cull/Control freak like myself, this is one of the few effects that uses the method to reveal the last ace. The ace cutting can, on occasion fail especially on the third ace. There is however the option of compensating for this with some amusing patter held in reserve. Michael Pauls variation introduces the idea of using only half the deck. To my mind this does introduce a weakness. It is not how you would cut to an ace at the card table which is the scenario suggested in the patter. On the other hand it does reduce the risk of the spec failing to hit the ace slug. Michael Pauls handling from what I can see also improves the odds of a successful cut on the difficult 'third' ace. He says this is 100% and if so, then there is a subtly at work here that I have not been able to fathom. Also, both spectators 'team up' to cut and locate the final ace which a nice touch in my view. Both routines have strengths and weaknesses. If you are a purist and comfortable with the increased risk, then Andrew's routine can become a stunning miracle. For a more secure presentation which retains many of the strong elements of the original, then Michael Pauls routine is a good choice. Hope this helps. Regards, Paul H |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1745 Posts
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OK - I have now been trying out Michael Paul's version for a week or two and I find it is waaaay less than 100 per cent. I think this is a routine to try out with people who already know their way around a deck of cards: your poker buddies, for example. The only time this has worked for me perfectly (out of maybe eight or ten performances) was with a card-player. (And yes, he was utterly stunned!)
I know, I know: Michael says it's a regular "worker" for him, with "real" people. I don't know: maybe Brits just can't handle cards as well as Americans, but I've had a handful of try-out performances in which the results have been just, well, embarrassing. The fourth phase, which I wasn't keen on, flies past so I was wrong there! The preceeding phases, though, are just too uncertain for my preference. So - still looking! |
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1134 Posts
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For goodness sake Ross, 'Poker Players Picnic'. You know it makes sense
 And many thanks for the update on the effect.
Regards, Paul H |
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bugjack Inner circle New York, New York 1619 Posts
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Re Paul's routine, I don't have his DVD but from watching the video, isn't the third phase automatic?
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2021 Posts
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Steve Bedwell is the magician. Although he does the cutting and revelations, his routine is very entertaining.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts
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Mr. Ross Welford, thank you for your update. I was certainly concerned about the "100%" accuracy statement made by Mr. Paul. I suppose the first two hits would probably be about 95-99%. But what really had me concerned was that the 3rd cut could not possibly be 100%. The spectators block has now been severly limited as to how many cards he can cut. Nobody I know can cut the required number of cards.
The routine looks good though. But probably not a real world worker. Thanks again for your honest review.
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Hansen Special user Down Under 653 Posts
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Thanks to Paul H for the excellent and detailed review.
I've decided to go with Andrew Wimhurst's version. It sounds spectacular and I actually like the increased risk involved - hey, if it was easy for any ol' spectator to dead cut an ace then it wouldn't be so miraculous, the fact that there's a chance they'll miss one or even two sits nicely with me. Now, of course, the hunt begins for Andrew's "Down Under Deals" lecture notes. Anyone? Anyone? Please... Cheers, Jason |
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bugjack Inner circle New York, New York 1619 Posts
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Edh, from my interpretation of the video, I think the third phase should hit every time... but maybe somebody who knows Michael's routine could confirm.
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts
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Interesting. Does Michael Paul provide any credits in his notes or DVD?
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts
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On 2007-05-21 01:34, bugjack wrote: As cutting leaway is 4 cards, there must be considerable chance of failure. Anyway saying "Cut about 15 cards" are questionable. I would cut 4th Ace myself after spectator shuffle the deck. Hideo Kato P.S. When Larry Jennings showed me this trick, he used Card Stabbing instead of spectator's cut. |
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