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If you were a casino poker dealer what moves, if any, would you use?
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Stacking would be about it I think since I don't know how to do a greek deal I think that would be it. is there any good peeks a deal could use?
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You can always, accidently, flash other players cards to your friend as you deal.

But, don't do it on purpose, that would be cheating.
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On 2006-03-16 23:38, Expertmagician wrote:
You can always, accidently, flash other players cards to your friend as you deal.

But, don't do it on purpose, that would be cheating.


And don't do it in the park, at least for free.
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Can any one cite a case from the last ten or twenty years where casino poker dealer was arrested for cheating in a casino poker game using a mechanics move. What was the case and what move was he using?
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Which makes me think there has not been any at all. If that is so, it would not be unreasonable to assume, such moves are not used by casino poker dealers in casinos.
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If I was a casino poker dealer, I wouldn't do any moves simply because it's against the law. If you're employed as a dealer, just do what you're supposed to do: follow regular gaming procedures. don't cheat, or do any moves. Because you will get caught!
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But if I would use any moves, I would definitely use false deals, stacking, and palming, and switching.
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On 2006-03-17 13:56, ImpromptuBoy wrote:
If I was a casino poker dealer, I wouldn't do any moves simply because it's against the law. If you're employed as a dealer, just do what you're supposed to do: follow regular gaming procedures. don't cheat, or do any moves. Because you will get caught!



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Hi,

Peeking the top card and then deciding whether to deal it or the second card is a simple way to cheat a player, but has to be used sparingly.

Signalling the hole card to an agent in conjuntion with a steer game is very effecient, but does not require many 'moves' so it may not be what you are asking in your original post.

No one has mentioned mucking. Makes you think.

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Thanks. I use some very safe small moves that give a small edge in casino like poker games but I have never worked them under the eye in a casino. I know the moves fool players but I am unsure about that sky eye. If it did not catch the move itself the signals are still a problem. The thought of being filmed and recorded while working is, off putting, we will say.
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If I was a crooked dealer working in a cardroom ( I would never cheat anyone by the way )and I had a partner at the game..I would try to figure out a way to either peek the flop or somehow flash the flop cards to an accomplice. I would think that if you've got the nuts on the flop the % would be high that you're going to win the pot.

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On 2006-03-17 23:07, MindPhantom wrote:
I would try to figure out a way to somehow flash the flop cards to an accomplice.


I have personally participated in a scam in a private card club that involved an advanced knowledge of what the board cards would be. The way that this particular scam was worked out, I not only knew the flop. Depending on what cards hit the board, I knew what the turn and the river would be, too. Although this offers a VERY strong edge, some things must first be realized about this.

First and foremost, this (like many other scams) is a percentage play. You are not guaranteed to be dealt pocket cards that are even worth playing to begin with. All this play offers (not to say that I don't appreciate it), is a very good idea of what the board cards are going to be.

Second of all, and I have said this before, bad calls will get heat very quickly; even amongst novice poker players. Being dealt 7,2 OS and calling any pre-flop action and then making your hand is fishy, to say the least. Obviously, this is an exaggerated example but, you get the point. Of course, there ARE ways of camouflaging plays like this but, that can be just as risky as the actual cheating itself. Anyway, it is definitely contradictory to the intention of cheating at cards (i.e to make money.)

Third, this does involve manipulation of the cards and there ARE cameras in the room. Although, there are certain aspects of dealer procedure that lend themselves quite nicely to the scam that I am thinking of.

Finally, and back to what I was saying about this being a percentage play, you only have thirty minutes or so with the dealer cheat at a time in a casino. The dealers get pushed periodically, right?

So, you either have to be very lucky and get cards that even justify a call (and this can depend on many factors), and simultaneously get board cards that match your call-worthy pocket cards, and have a few suckers at the table get pot-committed also, AND not get caught! Or, you can go ahead and try a few "sledgehammer moves." Good luck: you're most likely gonna need it.

Anyway, I am by no means saying that it can't, or has not, been done. What I will say is that the methods being used, and the successful application of said methods and/or strategies will most likely not be chronicled on Google. You can most certainly wager heavily that they won't be divulged on a magicians' forum, anyway.

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Well the eye in the sky is really only there for review. If you were to pull one good move that took down a decent pot and just played straight for the rest of the time I doubt you would be caught by the eye unless you had someone at the table spot the move and tell. any prove my statement wrong?
I would say that most casino scams at least in poker would only lend a small advantage and not a large one. such as know one or 2 others hole cards at the table. or one card on the flop. it is difficult and risky to pull out all the stops since if your caught you most likely going to get 1)beat down or 2)jail
you can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but never all of the people all the time.
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My favorites are the Percentage plays.

Favorites include killing the flop in hold-em, probably as described earlier. Run-ups and cut slips in 7-Stud.

Draw any heat and it's not a matter of "if"; it's more a matter of "when" one gets caught and that's dangerous. Working with agents could be dangerous, too.

Cameras? You better know where they are. Most of the time they seem to be used for review, but not always. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong...that's surveillance's job.

As far as moves go, I think I'd rather participate in crossfire teamwork than make a move.

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On 2006-03-18 15:51, Patrick Differ wrote:
My favorites are the Percentage plays.


Right on....

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If I were to cheat in a casino, I would use moves like palms and mucks that the camera couldn't see. The chances are greater that a player would see, but then its just my word against his.
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